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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9472601" data-attributes="member: 6877472">Sure but that brings you back the original question- why illusions and not other spells that can defeat foes?If I can play a character who can actually cast a wall of fire to hold back my foes, why futz around with &quot;illusory wall of fire&quot; that apparently any dumb NPC will be able to poke holes through and disbelieve?If the answer is &quot;well, you can cast illusory wall of fire with less effort or earlier in play&quot;, then I'm forced to put the final nail in the coffin of the Illusionist class-Magic-Users can cast illusion spells too!&nbsp; Sure, the Illusionist gets then faster and has more illusions to work with in 1e, but that idea of aping what an actual caster is doing proposed upthread?A Magic-User could do that by himself!&nbsp; &quot;Ok, so I cast a wall of fire this turn, then next turn, after they burn themselves on that, I'll make one over here with phantasmal force!&quot;There is one instance where I could see the Illusionist really working, and that's in a lower power or lower magic campaign where the Magic-User is banned, but Illusionists are available for play.&nbsp; Suddenly every &quot;magician&quot; has to be very careful to not let the populace realize that magic is really nothing but smoke and mirrors and &quot;wizards&quot; are nothing but <s>conjurers</s> (sorry, no Conjuration allowed) of cheap tricks!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9472601, member: 6877472"] Sure but that brings you back the original question- why illusions and not other spells that [I]can [/I]defeat foes? If I can play a character who can actually cast a [I]wall of fire[/I] to hold back my foes, why futz around with "[I]illusory wall of fire[/I]" that apparently any dumb NPC will be able to poke holes through and disbelieve? If the answer is "well, you can cast [I]illusory wall of fire[/I] with less effort or earlier in play", then I'm forced to put the final nail in the coffin of the Illusionist class- Magic-Users can cast illusion spells too! Sure, the Illusionist gets then faster and has more illusions to work with in 1e, but that idea of aping what an actual caster is doing proposed upthread? A Magic-User could do that by himself! "Ok, so I cast a wall of fire this turn, then next turn, after they burn themselves on that, I'll make one over here with [I]phantasmal force[/I]!" There is one instance where I could see the Illusionist really working, and that's in a lower power or lower magic campaign where the Magic-User is banned, but Illusionists are available for play. Suddenly every "magician" has to be very careful to not let the populace realize that magic is really nothing but smoke and mirrors and "wizards" are nothing but [S]conjurers[/S] (sorry, no Conjuration allowed) of cheap tricks! [/QUOTE]

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