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<blockquote data-quote="Bacon Bits" data-source="post: 8482776" data-attributes="member: 6777737"><p>I believe I found it.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=197078&sid=749452bba3638d5e00ab530437b15d46#p197078" target="_blank">This is the inciting question</a>, with his first response immediately after. <a href="https://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=197268&sid=749452bba3638d5e00ab530437b15d46#p197268" target="_blank">Here</a> is his first follow-up I think is actually relevant, and contains the first reference to the offensive idiom, with the next 8 to 10 or so posts following that up with more detailed answers.</p><p></p><p>If that's what you're referencing, I entirely disagree with your reading. I think Gary is very explicitly talking about the alignment system in the game and what a paladin would believe would be Lawful Good. It reads very much as, "this is how I would run the scenario," and not remotely like, "this is how the real world works." I have great difficulty taking what is said there and and calling it Gygax's personal philosophy and not just how the game is set up.</p><p></p><p>There are plenty of other examples that show Gary as clearly a man of his own generation at best, but I just don't see it here unless you're reaching for that conclusion from the start. Even then, I don't really think it's all that useful to take everything we don't like about the game and sweep it under the rug of, "Gary Gygax wasn't a very progressive individual." It feels like trying to exonerate it. I'd rather just take the game as it is or was, with blame falling on players who missed the problems as much as on any misguidance of the creators. That's kind of what that platitude about "it was wrong then as it is wrong now" means when you take it to heart.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bacon Bits, post: 8482776, member: 6777737"] I believe I found it. [URL='https://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=197078&sid=749452bba3638d5e00ab530437b15d46#p197078']This is the inciting question[/URL], with his first response immediately after. [URL='https://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=197268&sid=749452bba3638d5e00ab530437b15d46#p197268']Here[/URL] is his first follow-up I think is actually relevant, and contains the first reference to the offensive idiom, with the next 8 to 10 or so posts following that up with more detailed answers. If that's what you're referencing, I entirely disagree with your reading. I think Gary is very explicitly talking about the alignment system in the game and what a paladin would believe would be Lawful Good. It reads very much as, "this is how I would run the scenario," and not remotely like, "this is how the real world works." I have great difficulty taking what is said there and and calling it Gygax's personal philosophy and not just how the game is set up. There are plenty of other examples that show Gary as clearly a man of his own generation at best, but I just don't see it here unless you're reaching for that conclusion from the start. Even then, I don't really think it's all that useful to take everything we don't like about the game and sweep it under the rug of, "Gary Gygax wasn't a very progressive individual." It feels like trying to exonerate it. I'd rather just take the game as it is or was, with blame falling on players who missed the problems as much as on any misguidance of the creators. That's kind of what that platitude about "it was wrong then as it is wrong now" means when you take it to heart. [/QUOTE]
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