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<blockquote data-quote="Scrivener of Doom" data-source="post: 6311247" data-attributes="member: 87576">Yeah, 4E was needed, just as 3.xE was.AD&amp;D never asked the question, &quot;Why do we do this this way?&quot; in any sort of serious manner. The Gygaxian rule was make up some stuff that seems like fun... but ignore elegance, simplicity, or even what makes (logical) sense. Riffing off the chiropractic analogy, the end result was like saying, &quot;It's fun spending your life as a hunchback with club feet!&quot; Anyway, as Gary's later work showed, he really wasn't a very good game designer but he did catch lightning in a bottle with D&amp;D.3.xE really tried to ask &quot;Why?&quot; and did a good job, possibly too good. And 4E was very much a chiropractic adjustment for 3.xE that addressed most of the issues for DMs and some of the issues for players. 5E is interesting as it's seemingly a chiropractic adjustment to Gygaxian AD&amp;D - basically an attempt to get AD&amp;D &quot;right&quot; - as well as a reaction to, and adjustment of, the excessed of post-Gygaxian D&amp;D. I still think of 5E more as AD&amp;D3E rather than D&amp;D5E. Hmmm, maybe it's not so much a chiropractic adjustment of AD&amp;D but a piece of major surgery....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scrivener of Doom, post: 6311247, member: 87576"] Yeah, 4E was needed, just as 3.xE was. AD&D never asked the question, "Why do we do this this way?" in any sort of serious manner. The Gygaxian rule was make up some stuff that seems like fun... but ignore elegance, simplicity, or even what makes (logical) sense. Riffing off the chiropractic analogy, the end result was like saying, "It's fun spending your life as a hunchback with club feet!" Anyway, as Gary's later work showed, he really wasn't a very good game designer but he did catch lightning in a bottle with D&D. 3.xE really tried to ask "Why?" and did a good job, possibly too good. And 4E was very much a chiropractic adjustment for 3.xE that addressed most of the issues for DMs and some of the issues for players. 5E is interesting as it's seemingly a chiropractic adjustment to Gygaxian AD&D - basically an attempt to get AD&D "right" - as well as a reaction to, and adjustment of, the excessed of post-Gygaxian D&D. I still think of 5E more as AD&D3E rather than D&D5E. Hmmm, maybe it's not so much a chiropractic adjustment of AD&D but a piece of major surgery.... [/QUOTE]

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