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<blockquote data-quote="Esker" data-source="post: 7791447" data-attributes="member: 6966824">You keep saying that the rules already give rogues a second sneak attack if they jump through some hoops, but I don't see how this works. There's Haste, which if you have a wizard or sorcerer in the party willing to devote their concentration to casting it on you is great, but that comes at huge opportunity cost for them. If you're an arcane trickster you can cast it on yourself starting at level 13, but only two combats a day, and you only get your reaction attack from the second round on, since you used your first action to cast the spell, leaving you with just the extra Haste action for that first turn. And then you're giving up uncanny dodge, making it that much more likely that your concentration gets broken. Based on the typical 6 combat day, figuring about 3 rounds per combat, Haste is buying you 4 extra sneak attacks a day, or 22% of your rounds, from level 13-15, going up to 6, or 33% of your rounds at levels 16-18, and 8 at levels 19-20.Otherwise you have to hope somebody procs an attack of opportunity, or take Sentinel and hope the enemies don't just focus fire on you. But how often do AoOs occur? About 1/3 of the time maybe?Then there's commander's strike if you happen to have a Battlemaster in the party, which could plausibly be used pretty much every round. But that requires them to give up their bonus action, and one of their own attacks, and your reaction. So it's both costly and not a full second sneak attack.Are there other options I'm forgetting?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Esker, post: 7791447, member: 6966824"] You keep saying that the rules already give rogues a second sneak attack if they jump through some hoops, but I don't see how this works. There's Haste, which if you have a wizard or sorcerer in the party willing to devote their concentration to casting it on you is great, but that comes at huge opportunity cost for them. If you're an arcane trickster you can cast it on yourself starting at level 13, but only two combats a day, and you only get your reaction attack from the second round on, since you used your first action to cast the spell, leaving you with just the extra Haste action for that first turn. And then you're giving up uncanny dodge, making it that much more likely that your concentration gets broken. Based on the typical 6 combat day, figuring about 3 rounds per combat, Haste is buying you 4 extra sneak attacks a day, or 22% of your rounds, from level 13-15, going up to 6, or 33% of your rounds at levels 16-18, and 8 at levels 19-20. Otherwise you have to hope somebody procs an attack of opportunity, or take Sentinel and hope the enemies don't just focus fire on you. But how often do AoOs occur? About 1/3 of the time maybe? Then there's commander's strike if you happen to have a Battlemaster in the party, which could plausibly be used pretty much every round. But that requires them to give up their bonus action, and one of their own attacks, and your reaction. So it's both costly and not a full second sneak attack. Are there other options I'm forgetting? [/QUOTE]

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