Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="Kinematics" data-source="post: 7793286" data-attributes="member: 6932123">Hmm.&nbsp; That's a rather interesting idea.&nbsp; And it fits in well with the idea of bounded accuracy.&nbsp; The flat addition to the roll from double proficiency breaks higher difficulty caps. A level 10 rogue could have +13 Stealth, which could potentially put the total roll over 30.&nbsp; That's outside the bounds of what almost anyone else could get with Perception, and breaks the idea of &quot;this is the range you can achieve at this level&quot; semantics that you get with most skills for most classes.It sort of breaks the contract that most contested skills would have, compared to the attack vs AC design that specifically worked to avoid that. Stealth vs Perception, Insight vs Deception, Athletics vs Acrobatics, etc.&nbsp; Using advantage puts it in the same design space as the combat roll mechanics, which I think almost everyone agrees is an improvement over the piecemeal bonuses of earlier editions.&nbsp; You can still have circumstantial bonuses (eg: partial cover), but flat bonuses to skills should be as rare as flat bonuses on weapons or armor.It helps avoid the issue of escalating DCs just to keep the expertise characters in check, which can be impractical for non-expertise characters to even achieve.I like it.As a corollary to how offense vs defense works, in terms of bonus rarity, I might consider a similar disparity in &quot;offensive&quot; vs &quot;defensive&quot; skill bonuses attached to gear.&nbsp; EG: A bonus to Perception would be easier to find than a bonus to Stealth.&nbsp; But that's just a side thought, and would require digging into what's even available.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kinematics, post: 7793286, member: 6932123"] Hmm. That's a rather interesting idea. And it fits in well with the idea of bounded accuracy. The flat addition to the roll from double proficiency breaks higher difficulty caps. A level 10 rogue could have +13 Stealth, which could potentially put the total roll over 30. That's outside the bounds of what almost anyone else could get with Perception, and breaks the idea of "this is the range you can achieve at this level" semantics that you get with most skills for most classes. It sort of breaks the contract that most contested skills would have, compared to the attack vs AC design that specifically worked to avoid that. Stealth vs Perception, Insight vs Deception, Athletics vs Acrobatics, etc. Using advantage puts it in the same design space as the combat roll mechanics, which I think almost everyone agrees is an improvement over the piecemeal bonuses of earlier editions. You can still have circumstantial bonuses (eg: partial cover), but flat bonuses to skills should be as rare as flat bonuses on weapons or armor. It helps avoid the issue of escalating DCs just to keep the expertise characters in check, which can be impractical for non-expertise characters to even achieve. I like it. As a corollary to how offense vs defense works, in terms of bonus rarity, I might consider a similar disparity in "offensive" vs "defensive" skill bonuses attached to gear. EG: A bonus to Perception would be easier to find than a bonus to Stealth. But that's just a side thought, and would require digging into what's even available. [/QUOTE]

Verification