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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blackbrrd" data-source="post: 6306046" data-attributes="member: 63962">[MENTION=5143]Majoru Oakheart[/MENTION], [MENTION=2525]Mistwell[/MENTION] thanks for your responses.I was going to mention that the 3.0 PHB wasn't too fiddley when I remembered all the hour-long buffs, minute-long buffs and x-round-long buffs. Then I remembered all the +1/-1 bonuses or penalties you could stack up and the grappling rules. The touch AC stuff. And a lot more of those weird things that just slows the game down.Last I looked at the 5e play test, it looked like they had it under control. The amount of fiddley bits like the ones above are much smaller. Instead of all those buff mechanics, you have one, requiring concentration and you can only have one. Instead of adding/subtracting all those small bonuses, you just check for advantage/disadvantage. If I remember correctly, there isn't any touch AC either?Another good point that [MENTION=2525]Mistwell[/MENTION] mentioned where the ratio between AC, to-hit bonus and hp. Much less hp than 4e, and a much flatter AC range than 3e. I remember some 3e with monsters (roper!) that you could barely hit. Or undead that couldn't be sneak attacked or critted, or monsters with huge damage reduction in many cases.I really liked 3e, except for the fiddley bits, mostly because the rest of the group used such a long time, I never used a long time, except when I cast quickened Divine Power, Rightous Might and used my Heroic effort to get an attack in, I just needed to recalculate the whole character with +6 enhancement bonus to strength, change my BAB to my character level, and a +4 size bonus to strength and a +2 size bonus to con, recalculate hp, add the -1 size bonus to attack rolls, -1 size bonus to AC and look up what the dice progression for a 1d10 weapon. Would it be 2d6 or 2d8?  Oooh, and I would have to factor in that I already had a +2 enhancement bonus to strength, so I would only add +4 of the +6 enhancement bonus. I usually had some of this pre-calculated and did the rest of the calculation out-of-turn on a piece of paper giving me the complete full round attack routine, but seriously, none of the other players would have used less than a couple of minutes.In short, I think 5e will do very well when it comes to sense of accomplishment, but with much less time doing a primary school math test every 10-20 minutes.</blockquote>

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