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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blackbrrd" data-source="post: 6306440" data-attributes="member: 63962">The character isn't optimized when you can add +12 to the static damage modifier and get it from +14 to +26. That's a huuuuge gap.Regarding Glorious Presence, I just checked it, you can select it as any random level 1 wizard in the character builder. Improved Glorious Presence is a level 13 wizard attack encounter power.In that case, I think you might be wrong about the AoE damage from controllers being un-optimized. If you don't have those rediculess save penalties, those save-or-die spells suddenly aren't so reliable, and control-oriented characters are much weaker. As noted above, you can at level 13 have a +26 to 33 static damage bonus for your "lousy" lightning bolt. 2d6+(26-33) damage vs three opponents within 10sq? Sounds good to me. If all five players in a party where Wizards, you could do 10d6+159 damage to three opponents, or about 194 damage to three opponents, very likely taking them out in the first round, while only expending a level 7 encounter power each.</blockquote>