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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8201778" data-attributes="member: 16814">That doesn't seem to work for me, though.&nbsp; I like 5e.&nbsp; I'm running an AP right now (well, on Sundays).&nbsp; Yet, no matter how often I say this, it's ignored and I keep being told I'm irrational for saying 5e can't actually do everything, or that it's not well suited for a number of games.As for not liking 5e without having played it, that's a interesting point.&nbsp; I think it hinges on exposure and awareness.&nbsp; Most people have been exposed to D&amp;D, if not 5e specifically, and can recognize game structures that they don't like without playing 5e specifically.&nbsp; [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] is one such -- he doesn't like the GM/player authority structure inherent in most D&amp;D editions (4e being an exception) and so, rightly, judges that the details of the system don't matter because one of it's core play agendas disagrees with him.&nbsp; Same with BitD, except that, given that most people haven't been exposed to it or similar games, there's a lot more ignorance of them.&nbsp; Sadly, this means that people like you, who have made an honest attempt at the rules, get caught in the assumption net that's most often true, so it makes absolute sense that you see this trend.I mean, you've been involved in threads discussing how games like BitD and PbtA work -- how often do you see informed disagreement with those systems?&nbsp; Not really an excuse (you've raised a valid point, and one that I've tried to correct in myself), but rather a demonstration of how this occurs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8201778, member: 16814"] That doesn't seem to work for me, though. I like 5e. I'm running an AP right now (well, on Sundays). Yet, no matter how often I say this, it's ignored and I keep being told I'm irrational for saying 5e can't actually do everything, or that it's not well suited for a number of games. As for not liking 5e without having played it, that's a interesting point. I think it hinges on exposure and awareness. Most people have been exposed to D&D, if not 5e specifically, and can recognize game structures that they don't like without playing 5e specifically. [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] is one such -- he doesn't like the GM/player authority structure inherent in most D&D editions (4e being an exception) and so, rightly, judges that the details of the system don't matter because one of it's core play agendas disagrees with him. Same with BitD, except that, given that most people haven't been exposed to it or similar games, there's a lot more ignorance of them. Sadly, this means that people like you, who have made an honest attempt at the rules, get caught in the assumption net that's most often true, so it makes absolute sense that you see this trend. I mean, you've been involved in threads discussing how games like BitD and PbtA work -- how often do you see informed disagreement with those systems? Not really an excuse (you've raised a valid point, and one that I've tried to correct in myself), but rather a demonstration of how this occurs. [/QUOTE]

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