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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 8202353" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>In the case of 5e, I think that we can often see its weaker system components through some of the areas that people ask for help with or where we see 3pp support with some degree of regularity. I don't think that the core experience of 5e, for example, is strong when it comes to hex-crawling exploration. The ranger class and the Outlander background both address exploration only in terms of ways to bypass it as meaningful content. Likewise, what do players do with all their gold? Gold is commonly regarded as being absolutely worthless in this edition. But this was something that in older editions (1) the source of XP, and (2) spent on working towards mid and late game play (i.e., strongholds). Hence why Matt Colville's Strongholds & Followers was even able to fill in a gap.</p><p></p><p></p><p>How is that not trying to be dismissive?</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's often about the quality of the ingredients, the proficiency of food preparation, the professionalism of the service, and the overall dining experience. Sometimes high end restaurants are not necessarily about trying to make the most wholesome meal ever anymore than a skilled artist is trying to draw/paint the prettiest or most satisfying picture ever.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But your point here is kind of the underlying issue: high quality in respect to what measure? In the case of D&D, you indicate here that it's quality is with respect to how "it does what [you] need and [you] enjoy it." The Marvel films are (mostly) enjoyable popcorn, blockbuster films, but they are lackluster, if not dreadfully dull, (IMHO) when it comes doing something actually interesting or provocative with storytelling through the medium of film, but that's also not what they are created to do. They are created for mass market appeal and raking in the greens.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If I served you an undercooked piece of rotting meat at a restaurant and told you that quality was simply a personal preference dressed up as an objective standard, you likely would think that I was trying to swindle or cheat you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 8202353, member: 5142"] In the case of 5e, I think that we can often see its weaker system components through some of the areas that people ask for help with or where we see 3pp support with some degree of regularity. I don't think that the core experience of 5e, for example, is strong when it comes to hex-crawling exploration. The ranger class and the Outlander background both address exploration only in terms of ways to bypass it as meaningful content. Likewise, what do players do with all their gold? Gold is commonly regarded as being absolutely worthless in this edition. But this was something that in older editions (1) the source of XP, and (2) spent on working towards mid and late game play (i.e., strongholds). Hence why Matt Colville's Strongholds & Followers was even able to fill in a gap. How is that not trying to be dismissive? It's often about the quality of the ingredients, the proficiency of food preparation, the professionalism of the service, and the overall dining experience. Sometimes high end restaurants are not necessarily about trying to make the most wholesome meal ever anymore than a skilled artist is trying to draw/paint the prettiest or most satisfying picture ever. But your point here is kind of the underlying issue: high quality in respect to what measure? In the case of D&D, you indicate here that it's quality is with respect to how "it does what [you] need and [you] enjoy it." The Marvel films are (mostly) enjoyable popcorn, blockbuster films, but they are lackluster, if not dreadfully dull, (IMHO) when it comes doing something actually interesting or provocative with storytelling through the medium of film, but that's also not what they are created to do. They are created for mass market appeal and raking in the greens. If I served you an undercooked piece of rotting meat at a restaurant and told you that quality was simply a personal preference dressed up as an objective standard, you likely would think that I was trying to swindle or cheat you. [/QUOTE]
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