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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8202801" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>On the subject of "quality" it depends on what you are looking at. The quality of a history book & work of fiction showing an alternate history could both be good but if you used the wrong scale they are likely to fail miserably. Your example of mcdonalds if rated on speed/price/etc vrs the points [USER=6790260]@EzekielRaiden[/USER] made in <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/5e-and-the-cheesecake-factory-explaining-good-enough.678269/post-8202482" target="_blank">227</a> is a good comparison. Bob might feel like 5e meets the perfect sweet spot for tactical combat by minimizing it to the point of near omission, but Bob would be very wrong to misconstrue that minimalization as an example of quality support for tactical combat. Bob could say that he likes the tradeoffs & focus on meeting the needs of other elements rather than having tactical combat elements all that involved but it is that balance & other elements obtained through the minimalization he is saying are quality not the minimalized element itself unless he redefines quality or tactical combat. No matter how good the binding printing & price are on that alternative history work of fiction are it will never make it a quality history book</p><p></p><p>Mcdonalds has improved dramatically in recent decades if you only focus on specific menu items, but even menu items that are pretty good are rarely examples of a restaurant's "quality" for the same reason yelp & others have both a star rating & a $$$$ rating. If Alice says that she's in the mood for a really good or quality fried chicken sandwich even if the mcdonalds crispy chicken sandwich is one of their better menu offerings it's unlikely to meet the standards for "quality". In that situation Alice can acknowledge that the crispy chicken sandwich is one of their better offerings & sometimes hits the spot when she's in a rush. Likewise Bob can admit "yea your right it's a pretty weak fried chicken sandwich compared to that other place".</p><p></p><p>For whatever reason in regards to 5e in particular there are a lot of elements that without question were minimalized or even removed where someone can say a things like "I feel the lack of x is a problem where wotc could have/should do better even as an optional rule or some variant UA" only to be told how the practically missing pillar is an example of quality design before talking about all of the benefits of that tradeoff or how the missing element affects other aspects of the game. Bob would be hard pressed to argue why the one "$" yelp rating for mcdonalds makes it a good fit for someone who says "where can I get a quality burger" in an area with a good selection of restaurants</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8202801, member: 93670"] On the subject of "quality" it depends on what you are looking at. The quality of a history book & work of fiction showing an alternate history could both be good but if you used the wrong scale they are likely to fail miserably. Your example of mcdonalds if rated on speed/price/etc vrs the points [USER=6790260]@EzekielRaiden[/USER] made in [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/5e-and-the-cheesecake-factory-explaining-good-enough.678269/post-8202482']227[/URL] is a good comparison. Bob might feel like 5e meets the perfect sweet spot for tactical combat by minimizing it to the point of near omission, but Bob would be very wrong to misconstrue that minimalization as an example of quality support for tactical combat. Bob could say that he likes the tradeoffs & focus on meeting the needs of other elements rather than having tactical combat elements all that involved but it is that balance & other elements obtained through the minimalization he is saying are quality not the minimalized element itself unless he redefines quality or tactical combat. No matter how good the binding printing & price are on that alternative history work of fiction are it will never make it a quality history book Mcdonalds has improved dramatically in recent decades if you only focus on specific menu items, but even menu items that are pretty good are rarely examples of a restaurant's "quality" for the same reason yelp & others have both a star rating & a $$$$ rating. If Alice says that she's in the mood for a really good or quality fried chicken sandwich even if the mcdonalds crispy chicken sandwich is one of their better menu offerings it's unlikely to meet the standards for "quality". In that situation Alice can acknowledge that the crispy chicken sandwich is one of their better offerings & sometimes hits the spot when she's in a rush. Likewise Bob can admit "yea your right it's a pretty weak fried chicken sandwich compared to that other place". For whatever reason in regards to 5e in particular there are a lot of elements that without question were minimalized or even removed where someone can say a things like "I feel the lack of x is a problem where wotc could have/should do better even as an optional rule or some variant UA" only to be told how the practically missing pillar is an example of quality design before talking about all of the benefits of that tradeoff or how the missing element affects other aspects of the game. Bob would be hard pressed to argue why the one "$" yelp rating for mcdonalds makes it a good fit for someone who says "where can I get a quality burger" in an area with a good selection of restaurants [/QUOTE]
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