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Message: <blockquote data-quote="triqui" data-source="post: 5908076" data-attributes="member: 57948">I don't dismiss anecdotal evidence of market. I dismiss his claim that he is so incredibly important to the game. That's just nerd wishful thinking, of someone who wants to feel he is important to the game, and being vocal in the internet does make a change. It doesn't. It is just a "I'm the center of the universe complex"Do you want anecdotal evidence? I know like one hundred gamers, thanks to the local store. More than half play Pathfinder instead of 4e. I'd go as far as to say I'm the only one in the forums (this ones, Paizo, or any other). 90% of them don't care about what it's said here, and 90% of those don't even *speak english* to begin with. Yet they made their choose. Some choose 4e, some others choose pathfinders, and some others play other RPGs. I have no data to back up the claim, (nobody does, except WotC and Paizo), but I'm willing to believe that the number of people who has an account in their forums (let alone the number of people who actually post), is just a tiny fraction of their sells.So, in your opinion, if WotC tomorrow changes his plans, and instead of delivering 5e, they deliver an OGL for 4e, and doesn't change anything about 4e (healing surges, AEDU, non-vancian, different rules for monsters, and all the things that make some people hate it), it will beat paizo?I don't.How much of Pathfinder success do you think it is due to Pathfinder 3pp?I'd go with a dire guess: 2%.You skipped 3e. Did 3e control more or less market than AD&D? If it controlled higher share of the market... is that feat (regaining control of the market) a unique achivement that can't be reproduced, ever again, for the centuries of the centuries, until the Eons end? Why so?There is no reason to believe 5e will be successful and take over the majority of the market again. There's no way to be sure of the oppositte either. Not only because it the game is good, it will sells. Also because you don't play the game alone. Pathfinder game *will* need a second edition, some time in the future. While I admire Paizo intelligent bussiness model (focusing on adventures), which disminisses this need, sooner or later, in one year or ten, the system would need a revamp. When they do, they can either be sucessful, or drop the ball. Just like any other company.</blockquote>

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