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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 5911143" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>Oh, I do. It's just nice to know that you do too.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't necessarily agree with that line of thinking, nor that it's necessarily applicable here. Between the "OGL as enlightened self-interest" idea, and the related "other RPGs aren't competitors; other hobbies are" idea, there's certainly room for seeing the OGL as being good for WotC, even by the people at WotC.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The fallacy itself is presented when someone - such as you, in your previous posts - presents a correlation as a causation, without it being so. You stated that WotC will see the causation of Paizo's success with Pathfinder as being because of the Open Game License. Unto itself, however, that view is demonstrably false, as the simple existence of the Open Game License by itself was not enough to <em>cause</em> (rather than simply allowing for the possibility of) Pathfinder, let alone it's current success.</p><p></p><p>By your own definition, you have assumed a causal relationship simply because one thing followed another, when that relationship is not there.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The relating needs to be <em>causal</em> for it to not be post hoc ergo propter hoc. Simply allowing for something to be possible is not the same as making it happen.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your lack of "IMHO" is showing again. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See above for why this analogy doesn't work.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's not relevant to the discussion we're having. A lack of A resulting in a lack of B does not mean that A's presence thusly causes B's presence.</p><p></p><p>Saying that something is dependent on something else does not mean that it is caused by that thing. You keep insisting that it does, which is an "after it, therefore because of it" fallacy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See above for the problems with necessarily assuming, as you do, that WotC even sees Pathfinder as a competitor to begin with. Likewise, saying that they'll not use the OGL again because they don't want another Pathfinder to deal with is post hoc ergo propter hoc. Again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 5911143, member: 8461"] Oh, I do. It's just nice to know that you do too. I don't necessarily agree with that line of thinking, nor that it's necessarily applicable here. Between the "OGL as enlightened self-interest" idea, and the related "other RPGs aren't competitors; other hobbies are" idea, there's certainly room for seeing the OGL as being good for WotC, even by the people at WotC. The fallacy itself is presented when someone - such as you, in your previous posts - presents a correlation as a causation, without it being so. You stated that WotC will see the causation of Paizo's success with Pathfinder as being because of the Open Game License. Unto itself, however, that view is demonstrably false, as the simple existence of the Open Game License by itself was not enough to [i]cause[/i] (rather than simply allowing for the possibility of) Pathfinder, let alone it's current success. By your own definition, you have assumed a causal relationship simply because one thing followed another, when that relationship is not there. The relating needs to be [i]causal[/i] for it to not be post hoc ergo propter hoc. Simply allowing for something to be possible is not the same as making it happen. Your lack of "IMHO" is showing again. :p See above for why this analogy doesn't work. That's not relevant to the discussion we're having. A lack of A resulting in a lack of B does not mean that A's presence thusly causes B's presence. Saying that something is dependent on something else does not mean that it is caused by that thing. You keep insisting that it does, which is an "after it, therefore because of it" fallacy. See above for the problems with necessarily assuming, as you do, that WotC even sees Pathfinder as a competitor to begin with. Likewise, saying that they'll not use the OGL again because they don't want another Pathfinder to deal with is post hoc ergo propter hoc. Again. [/QUOTE]
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