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<blockquote data-quote="triqui" data-source="post: 5913182" data-attributes="member: 57948"><p>Sure, it is possible. They can try, and it can work, or fail, however.</p><p></p><p>No. I stated that they saw what happened, and will NOT release the new as OGL (imho and all that jazz), to AVOID it happening again.</p><p>You should see the difference by now.</p><p>A is necessary for B. In this case, OGL is necessary for Pathfinder.</p><p>A does not imply B. In this case, OGL does not imply Pathfinder.</p><p>However:</p><p>No A implies No B. In this case, No OGL means No Pathfinder.</p><p></p><p>WotC wants No B, therefore, applies No A. In this case, WotC does not want another Pathfinder. Therefore, No OGL.</p><p></p><p>Could WotC release a new OGL, without it meaning, necessarelly, a new Pathfinder? Of course. You can have A, and not B, because A does not imply B. However, No A implies No B, period.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It doesn't mind, it was a *prerrequisite*. You could have OGL, and not a succesful Pathfinder, thanks to a miriad of other variables (for example, if Pathfinder would had sucked). HOWEVER, it does not change the fact that, without OGL, there is no way Pathfinder is possible (let alone succesful)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My father smokes. He got a lung cancer. There is obviously no causal relation (he might had the cancer from his work in a nuclear power plant, from living in a polluted city, or just from randomness). The relation is a correlation, not causal. After surgery, the doctor tells him to stop smoking.</p><p></p><p>In your opinion, is the doctor suggestion a fallacy?</p><p></p><p> No, But the lack of A means the absence of B. Which is, exactly, what I suggested. WotC wants the *absence* of Pathfinder. And No A means exactly that. The fact they might have OGL, and run the risk to see if there is a new PAthfinder or not, is pointless (with A, you *can* have B, or not, depending the circumstances, but with No A, there's no B, in any circumstance)</p><p></p><p></p><p>See the above. I have never claimed that, if WotC releases OGL, there would be a new Pathfinder. What I claim is that, if they DONT release a new OGL, there WON'T be a new Pathfinder. Which is completelly different.</p><p></p><p> If they don't see the company that has take half his market share as a competitor, they would be supreme idiots. I don't think they are. </p><p></p><p>That's like saying maybe Nokia does not see Samsung as a competitor</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nop. Saying that if they do use the OGL they'll have a new Pathfinder *would* be post hoc ergo propter hoc. Saying that if they <em>don't</em> use it they <em>won't</em> have a new pathfinder, isn't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="triqui, post: 5913182, member: 57948"] Sure, it is possible. They can try, and it can work, or fail, however. No. I stated that they saw what happened, and will NOT release the new as OGL (imho and all that jazz), to AVOID it happening again. You should see the difference by now. A is necessary for B. In this case, OGL is necessary for Pathfinder. A does not imply B. In this case, OGL does not imply Pathfinder. However: No A implies No B. In this case, No OGL means No Pathfinder. WotC wants No B, therefore, applies No A. In this case, WotC does not want another Pathfinder. Therefore, No OGL. Could WotC release a new OGL, without it meaning, necessarelly, a new Pathfinder? Of course. You can have A, and not B, because A does not imply B. However, No A implies No B, period. It doesn't mind, it was a *prerrequisite*. You could have OGL, and not a succesful Pathfinder, thanks to a miriad of other variables (for example, if Pathfinder would had sucked). HOWEVER, it does not change the fact that, without OGL, there is no way Pathfinder is possible (let alone succesful) My father smokes. He got a lung cancer. There is obviously no causal relation (he might had the cancer from his work in a nuclear power plant, from living in a polluted city, or just from randomness). The relation is a correlation, not causal. After surgery, the doctor tells him to stop smoking. In your opinion, is the doctor suggestion a fallacy? No, But the lack of A means the absence of B. Which is, exactly, what I suggested. WotC wants the *absence* of Pathfinder. And No A means exactly that. The fact they might have OGL, and run the risk to see if there is a new PAthfinder or not, is pointless (with A, you *can* have B, or not, depending the circumstances, but with No A, there's no B, in any circumstance) See the above. I have never claimed that, if WotC releases OGL, there would be a new Pathfinder. What I claim is that, if they DONT release a new OGL, there WON'T be a new Pathfinder. Which is completelly different. If they don't see the company that has take half his market share as a competitor, they would be supreme idiots. I don't think they are. That's like saying maybe Nokia does not see Samsung as a competitor Nop. Saying that if they do use the OGL they'll have a new Pathfinder *would* be post hoc ergo propter hoc. Saying that if they [i]don't[/i] use it they [i]won't[/i] have a new pathfinder, isn't. [/QUOTE]
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