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Message: <blockquote data-quote="triqui" data-source="post: 5913334" data-attributes="member: 57948">True. The difference is that, while with OGL they can, or not, have a Pathfinder, without OGL, they CAN'T have a Pathfinder. Sure. They *can* try to avoid that happening again (and they might be sucessful, or not), or they can avoid the OGL (and then that won't happen again, ever, no matter of what)No. That's you, trying to keep your strawman fallacy. I did not say that A is the cause of B. I said B cannot exist without A. I assume WotC does not want B, and therefore, they can forbid its existence by denying A.OGL didn't create Pathfinder *alone*. There were other causes as well. However, OGL made Pathfinder *possible*. So No OGL made Pathfinder *impossible*. Which was my statement. Once again, it is not (and this talking in circles). Without OGL, it is absolutelly impossible to have pathfinder, PERIOD. Yes, I agree that, with OGL, there are situations where another Pathfinder is not possible (for example, they release OGL, the Mayas are right, and the world ends. That's a possibiity, for example). But that's absolutelly pointless.  I never said so (despise your likeness for strawman fallacies). Sure, if they don't go OGL, that does not mean they'll avoid all competitors. Maybe White Wolf makes Vampire 3 and it rocks. However, that's not what I said. I said no OGL means no Pathfinder, and that's undeniable. Even you have said: OGL is a prerrequiste for Pathfinder, and Pathfinder can't exist without it. They might have other competitors, but not that one. And one competitor less is better than one competitor more, especially if that particular competitor happens to be the strongest one. But I didn't... I did not say that if WotC release a new OGL, there would be a new Pathfinder. I didn't say that because something is prerrequisite for something else, it is a  cause for it. I said they don't want it to happen again. And that can be done, without a new OGL.I said: If everybody's RPG budget is infinite (or they download pirate copies) sure. If it is limited (ie: most rpg gamers haven't found the philosopher stone yet, and thus can't make money from nothing), then that might not be the truth. If I only have 100 bucks to spend in RPG per year, I either buy 100 bucks in Pathfinder, or 100 bucks in 5e, or 50 and 50, or 25, 25, and 50 in some other RPGs.I'm going to dare to say that WotC would rather be in the case where most people decide to spend their 200 buck in WotC products. Daring assumptions I make. If that premise is false, and WotC preffer people to share their budget with competitors, then yes, the whole "not wanting another Pathfinder" assumption holds no water. But I doubt that's the case.</blockquote>

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