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<blockquote data-quote="Snacktastic" data-source="post: 8073485" data-attributes="member: 7025901">Any chance anyone could help me out with some DPR calculations? And ideas on how much is actually good/needed at any level?The three early game builds I am looking at based on the advice given thus far.Fighter 5 / Rogue 1 :Pros = Seems to combine the consistency of the fighter class with the early utility of the rogue class; in the next two levels assassinate comesCon's = No ranger levels until level 8 so levels 9-14 will see much less growth.Fighter 1 / Ranger 5:Pros = Get's the extra attack, pass without trace, gloom stalker (god tier imo) damage in turn one. Fighter 2 and Rogue 1 in the next two levels (followed by rogue 2-3) should ramp up quickly-ish. However;Cons =&nbsp; No Action surge or Rogue though, so full assassinate nova will not occur until level 9 or 10.Fighter 3/Rogue 3:Pro's = Assassinate, expertise, action surge and battle master all there!Cons = No extra attack until level 8, no ranger levels so 9 - 14 levels will be pain. All ASI come very late in comparison to single class<table style='width: 100%'><tr><td>1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Fighter 1:</td><td>Archery</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Rogue 1:</td><td>Sneak Attack, Expertise</td><td>Expertise Utility</td></tr><tr><td>3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Fighter 2:</td><td>Action Surge</td><td>&lt;- enough said?</td></tr><tr><td>4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Fighter 3:</td><td>Battle Master</td><td>Extra damage when you need it</td></tr><tr><td>5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Fighter 4:</td><td>Asi</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>6&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Fighter 5:</td><td>Extra Attack</td><td>Extra dpr</td></tr></table><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td>1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Fighter 1:</td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Ranger 1:</td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Ranger 2: </td><td>Hunters Mark, Fighting style (Two Weapon Fighting)</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Ranger 3:</td><td>Gloom stalker</td><td>Extra attack on first turn and an extra 1d8 per hit.</td></tr><tr><td>5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Ranger 4:</td><td>Asi</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>6&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Ranger 5:</td><td>Pass without trace, Extra Attack</td><td></td></tr></table><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td>1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Fighter 1:</td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Rogue 1:</td><td>Sneak Attack, Expertise</td><td>Expertise is a tick</td></tr><tr><td>3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Fighter 2:</td><td>Action Surge</td><td>Yep!</td></tr><tr><td>4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Rogue 2:</td><td>Cunning Action</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Rogue 3:</td><td>Assassinate</td><td>Nova!</td></tr><tr><td>6&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </td><td>Fighter 3:</td><td>Battle Master</td><td></td></tr></table>I realize this entire build is based on surprise damage and that surprise is not consistent. I'm kind of nervous about it, I don't know what damage I should be doing at end game per turn, I don't know what is normal/average.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snacktastic, post: 8073485, member: 7025901"] Any chance anyone could help me out with some DPR calculations? And ideas on how much is actually good/needed at any level? The three early game builds I am looking at based on the advice given thus far. Fighter 5 / Rogue 1 : Pros = Seems to combine the consistency of the fighter class with the early utility of the rogue class; in the next two levels assassinate comes Con's = No ranger levels until level 8 so levels 9-14 will see much less growth. Fighter 1 / Ranger 5: Pros = Get's the extra attack, pass without trace, gloom stalker (god tier imo) damage in turn one. Fighter 2 and Rogue 1 in the next two levels (followed by rogue 2-3) should ramp up quickly-ish. However; Cons = No Action surge or Rogue though, [B]so full assassinate nova will not occur until level 9 or 10.[/B] Fighter 3/Rogue 3: Pro's = Assassinate, expertise, action surge and battle master all there! Cons = No extra attack until level 8, no ranger levels so 9 - 14 levels will be pain. [B]All ASI come very late in comparison to single class [/B] [TABLE] [TR] [TD]1 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Fighter 1:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Archery[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(85, 57, 130)]Rogue 1:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Sneak Attack, Expertise[/TD] [TD]Expertise Utility[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]3 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Fighter 2:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Action Surge[/TD] [TD]<- enough said?[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]4 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Fighter 3:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Battle Master[/TD] [TD]Extra damage when you need it[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]5 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Fighter 4:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Asi[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Fighter 5:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Extra Attack[/TD] [TD]Extra dpr[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE] [TR] [TD]1 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Fighter 1:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(0, 168, 133)]Ranger 1:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]3 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(0, 168, 133)]Ranger 2: [/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Hunters Mark, Fighting style (Two Weapon Fighting)[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]4 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(0, 168, 133)]Ranger 3:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Gloom stalker[/TD] [TD]Extra attack on first turn and an extra 1d8 per hit.[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]5 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(0, 168, 133)]Ranger 4:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Asi[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(0, 168, 133)]Ranger 5:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Pass without trace, Extra Attack[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE] [TR] [TD]1 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Fighter 1:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(85, 57, 130)]Rogue 1:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Sneak Attack, Expertise[/TD] [TD]Expertise is a tick[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]3 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Fighter 2:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Action Surge[/TD] [TD]Yep![/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]4 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(85, 57, 130)]Rogue 2:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Cunning Action[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]5 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(85, 57, 130)]Rogue 3:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Assassinate[/TD] [TD]Nova![/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6 [/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Fighter 3:[/COLOR][/TD] [TD]Battle Master[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] I realize this entire build is based on surprise damage and that surprise is not consistent. I'm kind of nervous about it, I don't know what damage I should be doing at end game per turn, I don't know what is normal/average. [/QUOTE]

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