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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5914924" data-attributes="member: 95493">My understanding was that they are trying to make a game everyone can enjoy, not that they are trying to recreate the exact same game that everyone enjoys. A slight but important difference. In one form they can never succeed because ALL systems are different. For the other, as far as I knew their ACTUAL goal, it is possible to allow me to play my way and for you to play your way with the same rules system. I won't get 3.5 ultra anymore than you will get 4e deluxe but if they do their jobs well we will both have a product we can enjoy.Why are they? I've heard it around these forums a lot from people who are much more knowledgeable than you and me, that our playstyles are much more similar than we would probably believe. Hell if the general consensus on the blog posts about design are believed then they are damn near identical.Saying that 3ers, 1ers and 2ers all have their system, while implying that 4e wouldn't if 5e happens, is ridiculously false. 4e can still play their game after 5e comes out as much as 3e can play it since 4e. WotC introducing 5e doesn't miraculously teleport books out of your hands.This part is just laughable.First, doesn't suck is debatable. HUGELY debatable in fact.Second, "sucky D&D" is also hugely debatable.Next,  why should they accept something that isn't 4e? AT LEAST because they can't get WotC to change their mind about doing 5e. Trust me if it were possible, the sheer outcry of 3e fans would have stopped 4e. I was there, I remember being part of that outcry <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> I assume something similar happened from 2e fans for 3e, but I can't be certain.Fourth, welcome to the club. The club of people who aren't exactly thrilled about WotC's most recent choices concerning their favourite* RPG.No they are not. In fact from time to time I think they provoke nerdrage for fun.(EDIT: Cease and Desist. Right? Still doesn't make any more sense to me so I'll let my comment stand.)EDIT: They may C+D anything new people try to publish if they try doing a Pathfinder style alternate route. That is true. But regardless of PF's existence I would not have switched to 4e so I fail to see the point.Once again, its viable path is by letting people play the game they want to play using 5e, while letting other groups play a completely different game using those same rules.At the very least some people will convert because WotC is still supporting 5e (up until 6e is released). I know that if I can PLAY the game I want I really couldn't care less what the base rules look like. I know certain things that are turn offs for me and mine because 4e did it but those are very possibly things that you LOVE about 4e, who knows. Either way 4e is going to fade away like 3e faded away 4 or 5 years ago. That isn't to say you can't still play it. It IS to say that WotC will stop releasing books for it.You have to understand Tony, not everyone loves 4e like you seem to. We don't all think it is the benevolent holy creation you seem to and to that end we are happy to see it go in favour of something we do appreciate. That new incarnation will not resemble 4e** nor will it be 3e or any other "e" that came before it. It will be something new, it will have to live or die on that new entity. Saying it has failed before the beta test is revealed is premature to say the least. It could be exactly what they claim, a game that unites you and me into something new. It also has the chance of being something neither of us like and being changed by the time it is released. Perhaps it will be something neither of us likes and it won't be changed. Who knows. I just know that saying it can't succeed before it even tries reeks of sour grapes.*"Favourite" might be debatable nowadays.**If it does then, as previous mentioned, it really will fail.</blockquote>

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