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[5E] Cleric Twilight / Sorcerer Shadow help
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<blockquote data-quote="Esker" data-source="post: 7825758" data-attributes="member: 6966824"><p>Oh, well your OP made it sound like the core of the build was Twilight Cleric and some kind of arcane caster for shadow blade, with the arcane class somewhat up for grabs. That was the basis on which I was suggesting bladesinger in place of the sorcerer component. </p><p></p><p>At character level 8, comparing Twilight Cleric 2 / Shadow Sorcerer 6 to Twilight Cleric 2 / Bladesinger 6: the sorcerer can quicken booming blade a few times a day, getting a little more damage on those rounds than the bladesinger, but those rounds likely make up a pretty small share of the day's rounds, whereas the bladesinger can attack twice every round. And if you're burning most of your SP to do that, what are you getting from being a sorcerer? </p><p></p><p>As for the INT need, the sorcerer still needs a 13 CHA. Bladesinger could take 14 INT, 17 DEX and 14 CON, the sorcerer could take 13 CHA, 16 DEX, and 16 CON. By level 8 with elven accuracy, bladesinger is looking at 17 base AC, 19 with bladesong (which should be most of the time), 24 with Shield. With half-plate and shield, the sorcerer has 19 AC, and more HP (but may be cannibalizing their Shield slots for SP). So the sorc is a little more durable and has slightly better concentration saves. But the bladesinger has better offense, and more utility and versatility. (And despite the shadow in shadow sorcerer, is the better of the two at being in the shadows, not wearing loud armor)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Esker, post: 7825758, member: 6966824"] Oh, well your OP made it sound like the core of the build was Twilight Cleric and some kind of arcane caster for shadow blade, with the arcane class somewhat up for grabs. That was the basis on which I was suggesting bladesinger in place of the sorcerer component. At character level 8, comparing Twilight Cleric 2 / Shadow Sorcerer 6 to Twilight Cleric 2 / Bladesinger 6: the sorcerer can quicken booming blade a few times a day, getting a little more damage on those rounds than the bladesinger, but those rounds likely make up a pretty small share of the day's rounds, whereas the bladesinger can attack twice every round. And if you're burning most of your SP to do that, what are you getting from being a sorcerer? As for the INT need, the sorcerer still needs a 13 CHA. Bladesinger could take 14 INT, 17 DEX and 14 CON, the sorcerer could take 13 CHA, 16 DEX, and 16 CON. By level 8 with elven accuracy, bladesinger is looking at 17 base AC, 19 with bladesong (which should be most of the time), 24 with Shield. With half-plate and shield, the sorcerer has 19 AC, and more HP (but may be cannibalizing their Shield slots for SP). So the sorc is a little more durable and has slightly better concentration saves. But the bladesinger has better offense, and more utility and versatility. (And despite the shadow in shadow sorcerer, is the better of the two at being in the shadows, not wearing loud armor) [/QUOTE]
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