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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8648136" data-attributes="member: 6801845">For me,&nbsp; rolling to open the safe is still viable even if I, as DM, know it's empty.&nbsp;&nbsp; It reflects the action taken and does not automatically reveal to the player that the vault is empty.&nbsp; In some cases, the roll is to see how quickly or how well the PC opens the safe.&nbsp; Perhaps they're successful and it can be reclosed with no one being the wiser. If they fail, perhaps it takes them longer (how long depends on their roll) and they have to destroy the safe to accomplish their task.Sometimes the safe just can't be opened by the rogue.&nbsp; But until they try, I'm not going to reveal that information.&nbsp; After they fail,&nbsp; I'll use their result to determine if they know it's impossible. Obviously there are times when I don't call for a roll.&nbsp; As the DMG states, you don't need a check to walk across a room. In other cases, they will eventually succeed and there's no time pressure. I'm not going to tell them they can't attempt something unless it is, or should be, obvious to the PC that it's impossible. I don't believe in telling the player what they can or cannot attempt, although I will clarify the scenario if I think the player doesn't understand what's going on.Of course there is no one true way.&nbsp; But I'm not going to confirm the safe is empty based on information the PC cannot know.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8648136, member: 6801845"] For me, rolling to open the safe is still viable even if I, as DM, know it's empty. It reflects the action taken and does not automatically reveal to the player that the vault is empty. In some cases, the roll is to see how quickly or how well the PC opens the safe. Perhaps they're successful and it can be reclosed with no one being the wiser. If they fail, perhaps it takes them longer (how long depends on their roll) and they have to destroy the safe to accomplish their task. Sometimes the safe just can't be opened by the rogue. But until they try, I'm not going to reveal that information. After they fail, I'll use their result to determine if they know it's impossible. Obviously there are times when I don't call for a roll. As the DMG states, you don't need a check to walk across a room. In other cases, they will eventually succeed and there's no time pressure. I'm not going to tell them they can't attempt something unless it is, or should be, obvious to the PC that it's impossible. I don't believe in telling the player what they can or cannot attempt, although I will clarify the scenario if I think the player doesn't understand what's going on. Of course there is no one true way. But I'm not going to confirm the safe is empty based on information the PC cannot know. [/QUOTE]

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