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<blockquote data-quote="Laurefindel" data-source="post: 8648269" data-attributes="member: 67296">Not knowing whether the safe contains what the players were looking for can definitively be a meaningful consequence in the right context. I don't think it is by default however. Usually, the objectives of the PC are multiple,Keeping the safe example, PCs are rolling to succeed on...<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">knowing for certain what was inside</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">getting what is inside</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">not attracting unwanted attention while doing so</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">doing it quick enough not to jeopardize the rest of their activities/goals</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">not get hurt or poisoned or trapped in the process</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">not destroying what was inside in the process</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">not spending more resources that anticipated doing so</li>
</ul>Depending on context, some of the above may not be applicable or represent a meaningful consequence if failed, but oftentimes we don't roll for each of them separately. Thus a failure might be on any of the factors in play. [edit] Sometimes a roll might be asked simply to keep tension in the narrative and keep players on edge but neither success nor failure are consequential. The relevance of the roll is outside the actions of the PC and aimed at the players/game [/edit]Oftentimes when I ask a PC to roll athletics to jump from one roof to another for example, failure doesn't result in a fall.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Laurefindel, post: 8648269, member: 67296"] Not knowing whether the safe contains what the players were looking for [I]can definitively [/I]be a meaningful consequence in the right context. I don't think it is by default however. Usually, the objectives of the PC are multiple, Keeping the safe example, PCs are rolling to succeed on... [LIST] [*]knowing for certain what was inside [*]getting what is inside [*]not attracting unwanted attention while doing so [*]doing it quick enough not to jeopardize the rest of their activities/goals [*]not get hurt or poisoned or trapped in the process [*]not destroying what was inside in the process [*]not spending more resources that anticipated doing so [/LIST] Depending on context, some of the above may not be applicable or represent a meaningful consequence if failed, but oftentimes we don't roll for each of them separately. Thus a failure might be on any of the factors in play. [edit] Sometimes a roll might be asked simply to keep tension in the narrative and keep players on edge but neither success nor failure are consequential. The relevance of the roll is outside the actions of the PC and aimed at the players/game [/edit] Oftentimes when I ask a PC to roll athletics to jump from one roof to another for example, failure doesn't result in a fall. [/QUOTE]

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