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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8648768" data-attributes="member: 6790260">This statement would seem to be contradicted by the express instructions of DMG 237, where it says, &quot;An ability check is a test to see whether a character succeeds at a task that he or she has decided to attempt.&quot; It would be very strange if what they meant was, &quot;An ability check is a test to see what the consequences are of a task that a character has decided to attempt.&quot;Now, DMG 242 provides optional possibilities for DMs who wish to make ability checks more complicated. Allowing near-miss (or forcing barely-made) checks to succeed with cost is augmenting the roll's answer to the original question (&quot;did you succeed?&quot;) with the answer to a different question, &quot;what did it cost?&quot; This is factoring in consequences, yes. But it is not required. If it were, it would be on page 237, not several pages later, and certainly not placed after unrelated rules elements like Inspiration, Proficiency, and Ad/Dis, which do factor into checks, but would surely be less important than critical components of what all checks are supposed to be.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8648768, member: 6790260"] This statement would seem to be contradicted by the express instructions of DMG 237, where it says, "An ability check is a test to see whether a character succeeds at a task that he or she has decided to attempt." It would be very strange if what they [I]meant[/I] was, "An ability check is a test to see what the [I]consequences are[/I] of a task that a character has decided to attempt." Now, DMG 242 provides [I]optional possibilities[/I] for DMs who wish to make ability checks more complicated. Allowing near-miss (or forcing barely-made) checks to succeed with cost is [I]augmenting[/I] the roll's answer to the original question ("did you succeed?") with the answer to a different question, "what did it [I]cost?[/I]" This [I]is[/I] factoring in consequences, yes. But it is not required. If it were, it would be on page 237, not several pages later, and certainly not placed [I]after[/I] unrelated rules elements like Inspiration, Proficiency, and Ad/Dis, which do [I]factor into[/I] checks, but would surely be less important than critical components of what [I]all checks are supposed to be[/I]. [/QUOTE]

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