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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 9074604" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>The normal 5E approach would be to just have the attack cause the charmed condition.</p><p></p><p>I'd also make the range a bit longer than 30 feet. It might also be worth considering adding it as a Legendary Action option too.</p><p></p><p>The save DC is strangely low. Isn't this a Charisma-based ability like her <em><strong>Innate Spellcasting</strong></em>? With her stats, Baalphegor should have DC 24 with such abilities.</p><p></p><p>That's probably too far the other way though (i.e. too high).</p><p></p><p>The standard for a Challenge 21 creature is DC 20, so it shouldn't be <em>too</em> far off that number.</p><p></p><p>Glasya has CHA 26, giving her Cha-based spell-like DC 23, but that's also a bit too good for CR 21 too going by the Calculator. Indeed, I suspect that Glasya would be under-CRd if we ran her through that device.</p><p></p><p>So, something like:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><em><strong>Beguile #2.</strong></em> Baalphegor targets one creature she can see within ## feet of them and who can see her. The target must succeed at a DC 24 [<span style="color: red"><strong>?</strong></span>] Wisdom saving throw or become charmed until the start of the next turn. A charmed target uses their reaction, if available, to move up to their speed to a location chosen by Baalphegor, then either makes a melee attack against a target of Baalphegor’s choice or falls prone (Baalphegor’s choice).</p><p></p><p>Another possibility is giving her a Beguiling version of Glasya's <em><strong>Confusion Aura</strong></em> as a defensive measure, like so:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><em><strong>Beguiling Aura.</strong></em> Any creature hostile to Baalphegor that starts its turn within 20 feet of her must make a DC 24 [<span style="color: red"><strong>?</strong></span>] Wisdom saving throw. On a failed save, the creature is charmed for 1 round, as if affected by the <em>charm monster</em> spell. On a successful save, the creature is immune to Baalphegor's Beguiling Aura [<span style="color: red">and Beguile<strong>?</strong></span>] for the next 24 hours.</p><p></p><p>Hmm, that "next 24 hours rule should probably apply to <em><strong>Beguile</strong></em> too:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><em><strong>Beguile #3.</strong></em> Baalphegor targets one creature she can see within ## feet of them and who can see her. The target must succeed at a DC 24 [<span style="color: red"><strong>?</strong></span>] Wisdom saving throw or become charmed until the start of the next turn. A charmed target uses their reaction, if available, to move up to their speed to a location chosen by Baalphegor, then either makes a melee attack against a target of Baalphegor’s choice or falls prone (Baalphegor’s choice). On a successful save, the creature is immune to Baalphegor's Beguile [<span style="color: red">and Beguiling Aura<strong>?</strong></span>] for the next 24 hours.</p><p></p><p>What do you think?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 9074604, member: 57383"] The normal 5E approach would be to just have the attack cause the charmed condition. I'd also make the range a bit longer than 30 feet. It might also be worth considering adding it as a Legendary Action option too. The save DC is strangely low. Isn't this a Charisma-based ability like her [I][B]Innate Spellcasting[/B][/I]? With her stats, Baalphegor should have DC 24 with such abilities. That's probably too far the other way though (i.e. too high). The standard for a Challenge 21 creature is DC 20, so it shouldn't be [I]too[/I] far off that number. Glasya has CHA 26, giving her Cha-based spell-like DC 23, but that's also a bit too good for CR 21 too going by the Calculator. Indeed, I suspect that Glasya would be under-CRd if we ran her through that device. So, something like: [INDENT][I][B]Beguile #2.[/B][/I] Baalphegor targets one creature she can see within ## feet of them and who can see her. The target must succeed at a DC 24 [[COLOR=red][B]?[/B][/COLOR]] Wisdom saving throw or become charmed until the start of the next turn. A charmed target uses their reaction, if available, to move up to their speed to a location chosen by Baalphegor, then either makes a melee attack against a target of Baalphegor’s choice or falls prone (Baalphegor’s choice).[/INDENT] Another possibility is giving her a Beguiling version of Glasya's [I][B]Confusion Aura[/B][/I] as a defensive measure, like so: [INDENT][I][B]Beguiling Aura.[/B][/I] Any creature hostile to Baalphegor that starts its turn within 20 feet of her must make a DC 24 [[COLOR=red][B]?[/B][/COLOR]] Wisdom saving throw. On a failed save, the creature is charmed for 1 round, as if affected by the [I]charm monster[/I] spell. On a successful save, the creature is immune to Baalphegor's Beguiling Aura [[COLOR=red]and Beguile[B]?[/B][/COLOR]] for the next 24 hours.[/INDENT] Hmm, that "next 24 hours rule should probably apply to [I][B]Beguile[/B][/I] too: [INDENT][I][B]Beguile #3.[/B][/I] Baalphegor targets one creature she can see within ## feet of them and who can see her. The target must succeed at a DC 24 [[COLOR=red][B]?[/B][/COLOR]] Wisdom saving throw or become charmed until the start of the next turn. A charmed target uses their reaction, if available, to move up to their speed to a location chosen by Baalphegor, then either makes a melee attack against a target of Baalphegor’s choice or falls prone (Baalphegor’s choice). On a successful save, the creature is immune to Baalphegor's Beguile [[COLOR=red]and Beguiling Aura[B]?[/B][/COLOR]] for the next 24 hours.[/INDENT] What do you think? [/QUOTE]
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