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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 9248012" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Updating <strong><a href="https://www.enworld.org/posts/9047605" target="_blank">Efreeti Firelord Working Draft</a></strong>.</p><p></p><p>So I guess we should finish off the rest of the basic stats.</p><p></p><p>Let's see, a regular <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/monsters-by-type/elementals/genies/genie-efreeti" target="_blank">Efreeti</a></strong> has:</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Saving Throws</strong> INT +7, WIS +6, CHA +7</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Damage Immunities</strong> fire</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Senses</strong> darkvision 120 ft., passive Perception 12</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Languages</strong> Ignan</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>It also seems worth comparing them to other genies, like a <strong><a href="https://5e.tools/bestiary.html#marid_mm" target="_blank">Marid</a></strong>:</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Saving Throws</strong> DEX +5, WIS +7, CHA +8</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Damage Immunities</strong> acid, cold, lightning</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Senses</strong> blindsight 30 ft., darkvision 120 ft., passive Perception 13</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Languages</strong> Aquan</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Or a <strong><a href="https://5e.tools/bestiary.html#dao_mm" target="_blank">Dao</a></strong>:</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Saving Throws</strong> INT +5, WIS +5, CHA +6</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Condition Immunities</strong> petrified</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Senses</strong> darkvision 120 ft., passive Perception 11</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Languages</strong> Terran</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>However, the Firelord is far smarter and stronger than a standard Dao, Efreeti or Marid.</p><p></p><p>We were aiming for a power level equivalent to a <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/balor" target="_blank">Balor</a></strong>:</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Saving Throws</strong> STR +14, CON +12, WIS +9, CHA +12</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Damage Resistances</strong> cold, lightning; bludgeoning, piercing, and slashing from nonmagical attacks</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Damage Immunities</strong> fire, poison</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Condition Immunities</strong> poisoned</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Senses</strong> truesight 120 ft., passive Perception 13</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Languages</strong> Abyssal, telepathy 120 ft.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Challenge</strong> 19</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Or a <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/devil-pit-fiend" target="_blank">Pit Fiend</a></strong>:</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Saving Throws</strong> DEX +8, CON +13, WIS +10</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Damage Resistances</strong> cold; bludgeoning, piercing, and slashing from nonmagical attacks</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Damage Immunities</strong> fire, poison</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Condition Immunities</strong> poisoned</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Senses</strong> truesight 120 ft., passive Perception 14</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Languages</strong> Infernal, telepathy 120 ft.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Challenge</strong> 20</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Now, I fancy adding a Save Proficiency to the standard efreeti to give them four Saving Throws. That means picking a physical ability Save: Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution.</p><p></p><p>I'd go for Strength since the Al-Qadim Monstrous Compendium says Noble Efreet are really proud of their muscles. Don't like Dexterity because the 5E <strong><a href="https://5e.tools/bestiary.html#marid_mm" target="_blank">Marid</a></strong> has DEX, WIS, CHA and I'd prefer a contrast, while Constitution feels more appropriate for the Dao Goldmaster, since they are "earthy" genies.</p><p></p><p>The Al-Qadim MC also says a Noble Efreeti is telepathic (although that applies to most genies in AD&D), so let's give them the 120 foot telepathy that seems standard for megafiends.</p><p></p><p>I'm also thinking the Firelord deserves some skills, since Noble Efreet "are masters of strategy and trickery" according to their Monstrous Compendium entries.</p><p></p><p>I like the skill selection the 5E <em>City of Brass</em> gives to the <strong><a href="https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/marid" target="_blank">Marid</a></strong> of Deception, History, Performance, Persuasion is a good selection for a noble, but I feel a warrior like an efreeti lord would prefer Intimidation to Performance.</p><p></p><p>Heck, let's give it both. No reason a Firelord can't be cultured!</p><p></p><p>Cutting to the quick, that would make:</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 26px"><strong><a href="https://www.enworld.org/posts/9047605" target="_blank">Efreeti Firelord Working Draft</a></strong></span><span style="color: magenta"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: magenta"><strong>Saving Throws</strong> STR +13, INT +9, WIS +9, CHA +13</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: magenta"><strong>Skills</strong> Deception +13, History +9, Intimidation +13<strong>?</strong>, Performance +13<strong>?</strong>, Persuasion +13</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: magenta"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Damage Immunities</strong> fire</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: magenta"><strong>Senses</strong> darkvision 120 ft., passive Perception 13</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: magenta"><strong>Languages</strong> Ignan, telepathy 120 ft.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>That looks good.</p><p></p><p>Any suggestions?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 9248012, member: 57383"] Updating [b][url='https://www.enworld.org/posts/9047605']Efreeti Firelord Working Draft[/url][/b]. So I guess we should finish off the rest of the basic stats. Let's see, a regular [b][url='https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/monsters-by-type/elementals/genies/genie-efreeti']Efreeti[/url][/b] has: [INDENT] [B]Saving Throws[/B] INT +7, WIS +6, CHA +7 [B]Damage Immunities[/B] fire [B]Senses[/B] darkvision 120 ft., passive Perception 12 [B]Languages[/B] Ignan [/INDENT] It also seems worth comparing them to other genies, like a [b][url='https://5e.tools/bestiary.html#marid_mm']Marid[/url][/b]: [INDENT] [B]Saving Throws[/B] DEX +5, WIS +7, CHA +8 [B]Damage Immunities[/B] acid, cold, lightning [B]Senses[/B] blindsight 30 ft., darkvision 120 ft., passive Perception 13 [B]Languages[/B] Aquan [/INDENT] Or a [b][url='https://5e.tools/bestiary.html#dao_mm']Dao[/url][/b]: [INDENT] [B]Saving Throws[/B] INT +5, WIS +5, CHA +6 [B]Condition Immunities[/B] petrified [B]Senses[/B] darkvision 120 ft., passive Perception 11 [B]Languages[/B] Terran [/INDENT] However, the Firelord is far smarter and stronger than a standard Dao, Efreeti or Marid. We were aiming for a power level equivalent to a [b][url='https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/balor']Balor[/url][/b]: [INDENT] [B]Saving Throws[/B] STR +14, CON +12, WIS +9, CHA +12 [B]Damage Resistances[/B] cold, lightning; bludgeoning, piercing, and slashing from nonmagical attacks [B]Damage Immunities[/B] fire, poison [B]Condition Immunities[/B] poisoned [B]Senses[/B] truesight 120 ft., passive Perception 13 [B]Languages[/B] Abyssal, telepathy 120 ft. [B]Challenge[/B] 19 [/INDENT] Or a [b][url='https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/devil-pit-fiend']Pit Fiend[/url][/b]: [INDENT] [B]Saving Throws[/B] DEX +8, CON +13, WIS +10 [B]Damage Resistances[/B] cold; bludgeoning, piercing, and slashing from nonmagical attacks [B]Damage Immunities[/B] fire, poison [B]Condition Immunities[/B] poisoned [B]Senses[/B] truesight 120 ft., passive Perception 14 [B]Languages[/B] Infernal, telepathy 120 ft. [B]Challenge[/B] 20 [/INDENT] Now, I fancy adding a Save Proficiency to the standard efreeti to give them four Saving Throws. That means picking a physical ability Save: Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution. I'd go for Strength since the Al-Qadim Monstrous Compendium says Noble Efreet are really proud of their muscles. Don't like Dexterity because the 5E [b][url='https://5e.tools/bestiary.html#marid_mm']Marid[/url][/b] has DEX, WIS, CHA and I'd prefer a contrast, while Constitution feels more appropriate for the Dao Goldmaster, since they are "earthy" genies. The Al-Qadim MC also says a Noble Efreeti is telepathic (although that applies to most genies in AD&D), so let's give them the 120 foot telepathy that seems standard for megafiends. I'm also thinking the Firelord deserves some skills, since Noble Efreet "are masters of strategy and trickery" according to their Monstrous Compendium entries. I like the skill selection the 5E [i]City of Brass[/i] gives to the [b][url='https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/marid']Marid[/url][/b] of Deception, History, Performance, Persuasion is a good selection for a noble, but I feel a warrior like an efreeti lord would prefer Intimidation to Performance. Heck, let's give it both. No reason a Firelord can't be cultured! Cutting to the quick, that would make: [INDENT] [SIZE=7][b][url='https://www.enworld.org/posts/9047605']Efreeti Firelord Working Draft[/url][/b][/SIZE][COLOR=magenta] [B]Saving Throws[/B] STR +13, INT +9, WIS +9, CHA +13 [B]Skills[/B] Deception +13, History +9, Intimidation +13[B]?[/B], Performance +13[B]?[/B], Persuasion +13 [COLOR=blue][B]Damage Immunities[/B] fire[/COLOR] [B]Senses[/B] darkvision 120 ft., passive Perception 13 [B]Languages[/B] Ignan, telepathy 120 ft.[/color] [/INDENT] That looks good. Any suggestions? [/QUOTE]
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