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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8510186" data-attributes="member: 84112">I don't know. My gut reaction is to say no they really are not meaningful... no more then RPing going to releave yourself, or wanting to buy 'good food' it can be fun and nor really meaningful... but, as I type this you may be right.The problem is how do you gage such a thing?   I have thrown CR 20+ creatures at parties in the 9-11th level range and seen them curb stomp it (not just beat it, but barely have any issue doing it) I have also watched in horror as 14th level characters started to fall to basic hobgoblins with decent (not even great) tactics and numbers... The math is VERY messed up. Even a deadly encounter (like I said before) meant to be deadly to levels above the party can become a breeze. I mean I would think that if I dropped that new drago/elder brain thing with 2 illithid servants and a dozen mind controlled thralls into an area and my 7th level PCs (fighter,barbarian,rogue,warlock/bard) would avoid it... but if they choose to fight it I can not say I am 100% sure they would all die. (That barbarian is super high HP and min maxed, and the rogue is using an artifact short sword). Again my gut says that is a 'rocks fall everyone dies moment' but I can't be sure...  I have not done the math but that might just be a deadly encounter by math for a party twice the level of my PCs, and I can't say I would be sure.</blockquote>