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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8525235" data-attributes="member: 42582">I don't know what you mean by better or worse. The Lumpley Principle says nothing about what means should be adopted. Contra your post, the Lumpley principle does not even talk about better or worse in terms of securing agreement. It only tells us that system is a means for securing agreement (second formulation), and that rules are not self-realising but need to be operationalised via social processes (first formulation).Among some people, with certain preferences and expectations, perhaps the most reliable means for securing agreement on the fiction is to have one authority figure say what it is. Perhaps the same group of people would have the most fun deciding on the fiction by bidding. The Lumpley Principle does not, and does not purport, to say anything about what those people should do.If by "better or worse" you mean better or worse at producing play experience XYZ then the Lumpley Principle says nothing about that either. But Vincent Baker has said a great deal about that. I've repeatedly cited and quoted from some of his discussions, which are not abstract speculations at the level of principle but concrete diagnoses based on experience as a RPG player and designer.</blockquote>