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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8526474" data-attributes="member: 71699"><p>I can say something like 1) IFF the group's principles influence toward fiction-first, then a DM can run C* fiction-first</p><p></p><p>To make some of the arguments (others have made) in this thread, I need to also say 2) IFF an RPG has mechanics that are driven by and drive the fiction, then a DM can run that RPG fiction-first</p><p></p><p>C* has no mechanics, so cannot satisfy 2).</p><p></p><p>C* doesn't prevent DM making calls driven by and driving the fiction; so how can it be ruled out that they may do so? I don't believe that it can be! So it's down to principles, C* says don't forget to play in accord with your principles (you were going to anyway.)</p><p></p><p>C* is intended to imply a negative-twin - X*. I don't know the rules of X*, but I suppose them to work in specific ways that make it impossible to obey a group's fiction-first principles. 5e* says "<em>5e isn't X*.</em>" Maybe a group with anti-fiction-first principles can find ways to interpret 5e as X*. 5e* says, "<em>Don't do that. Use this interpretation that lets fiction-first live in the text.</em>" That's all it needs to say: the rest is up to the group.</p><p></p><p>Is it possible to hope that 5e* will force a group to play fiction-first? Earlier arguments in another thread necessitated a common belief that no RPG text can force a group to play fiction-first. 5e* thus has more modest expectations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 8526474, member: 71699"] I can say something like 1) IFF the group's principles influence toward fiction-first, then a DM can run C* fiction-first To make some of the arguments (others have made) in this thread, I need to also say 2) IFF an RPG has mechanics that are driven by and drive the fiction, then a DM can run that RPG fiction-first C* has no mechanics, so cannot satisfy 2). C* doesn't prevent DM making calls driven by and driving the fiction; so how can it be ruled out that they may do so? I don't believe that it can be! So it's down to principles, C* says don't forget to play in accord with your principles (you were going to anyway.) C* is intended to imply a negative-twin - X*. I don't know the rules of X*, but I suppose them to work in specific ways that make it impossible to obey a group's fiction-first principles. 5e* says "[I]5e isn't X*.[/I]" Maybe a group with anti-fiction-first principles can find ways to interpret 5e as X*. 5e* says, "[I]Don't do that. Use this interpretation that lets fiction-first live in the text.[/I]" That's all it needs to say: the rest is up to the group. Is it possible to hope that 5e* will force a group to play fiction-first? Earlier arguments in another thread necessitated a common belief that no RPG text can force a group to play fiction-first. 5e* thus has more modest expectations. [/QUOTE]
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