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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8528259" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>I agree with you on what is fairly typical in a majority of instances of RPG play, in general. Not sure what you are referring to as "call[ing] this playstyle preference something other than a game" but if you are reacting to my doubts about [USER=71699]@clearstream[/USER]'s toy example 'C' as being a game, it isn't related to any kind of 'playstyle'. It was related to the absence of any mechanics which have effect on play. I would have the same doubts as its status as a game regardless of who it designated as being responsible for which fiction. It is 'play', IMHO, as it is a leisure activity in which the participants play an active part. I am also OK with its designation as a 'game' in a less formal sense. I just think there's a real categorical difference between this kind of play and RPGs, where there are real game mechanics.</p><p></p><p>But going back to 'what normally happens', I think the question here in this thread is more about how or why a certain formulation of an RPG is or is not fiction first, and particularly how that relates to [USER=71699]@clearstream[/USER]'s specific proposition. It could well be there isn't one person in the Universe who wishes to play this way, although it is pretty clear that there are actual people's preferences which are being discussed. What is 'typical' doesn't really factor in here, does it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8528259, member: 82106"] I agree with you on what is fairly typical in a majority of instances of RPG play, in general. Not sure what you are referring to as "call[ing] this playstyle preference something other than a game" but if you are reacting to my doubts about [USER=71699]@clearstream[/USER]'s toy example 'C' as being a game, it isn't related to any kind of 'playstyle'. It was related to the absence of any mechanics which have effect on play. I would have the same doubts as its status as a game regardless of who it designated as being responsible for which fiction. It is 'play', IMHO, as it is a leisure activity in which the participants play an active part. I am also OK with its designation as a 'game' in a less formal sense. I just think there's a real categorical difference between this kind of play and RPGs, where there are real game mechanics. But going back to 'what normally happens', I think the question here in this thread is more about how or why a certain formulation of an RPG is or is not fiction first, and particularly how that relates to [USER=71699]@clearstream[/USER]'s specific proposition. It could well be there isn't one person in the Universe who wishes to play this way, although it is pretty clear that there are actual people's preferences which are being discussed. What is 'typical' doesn't really factor in here, does it? [/QUOTE]
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