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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8528543" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>I don't think my judgment is normative at all. It is based on an interpretation of what you list as condition 4. Now, in MOST RPGs, there are constitutive and regulative rules that include cues, resolution procedures, etc. These are typical of most games (they may be informal enough in, for example, field sports that we almost ignore them). C* doesn't have these. That is it has no defined 'game state' and no defined process or rules that say how that game state is agreed to or how it evolves.</p><p></p><p>Again, I want to emphasize, I'm not really against calling it a game in a more normative sense, it 'feels like a game' and certainly is 'play', may involve conflict, etc. as you say. My objection was meant to be illustrative and show that it is less FORMALLY A GAME than RPGs like 5e or DW. Anyway, I don't think this is exactly one of the most important points overall. Its enough of a game to say we are 'playing an RPG' and discuss it as such. It was more just a way to contrast with those other games.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8528543, member: 82106"] I don't think my judgment is normative at all. It is based on an interpretation of what you list as condition 4. Now, in MOST RPGs, there are constitutive and regulative rules that include cues, resolution procedures, etc. These are typical of most games (they may be informal enough in, for example, field sports that we almost ignore them). C* doesn't have these. That is it has no defined 'game state' and no defined process or rules that say how that game state is agreed to or how it evolves. Again, I want to emphasize, I'm not really against calling it a game in a more normative sense, it 'feels like a game' and certainly is 'play', may involve conflict, etc. as you say. My objection was meant to be illustrative and show that it is less FORMALLY A GAME than RPGs like 5e or DW. Anyway, I don't think this is exactly one of the most important points overall. Its enough of a game to say we are 'playing an RPG' and discuss it as such. It was more just a way to contrast with those other games. [/QUOTE]
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