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<blockquote data-quote="kilpatds" data-source="post: 6964342" data-attributes="member: 55079">Until your last two paragraphs, I'm in complete agreement.&nbsp; Yes, there is far more to the game than being a 1-dimensional melee striker.&nbsp; Yes, doing attack-plan-alpha every combat every time gets a bit boring. Yes to all of that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />My only areas of disagreement are around &quot;how fair is this to the TWF that think's he's a striker.&nbsp; He shoulda just built better&quot; parts.&nbsp; D&amp;D is a weird game in that it's neither zero-sum nor really competitive.&nbsp; I (and many others) don't play D&amp;D to WIN it, I play it for various other reasons.&nbsp; As a result, &quot;oh, I didn't win when I could have&quot; is a really weird line of thought, and one I think ends up being destructive to the actual game experience.So I think &quot;outshining the guy who thought he was a striker, but wasn't&quot; is an actual issue.&nbsp; I'm just trying to point out that, IMHO, that's the only actual issue here.&nbsp; Outshining the DM isn't really possible: the DM can do whatever is required (all monsters roll max HP, but have -2 to their saves.&nbsp; All combats involve a ranged element and a melee element.&nbsp; Etc, whatever, whatever).&nbsp; The concerns are only around outshining other players.And in that regard, I'm usually more worried about the guy who thinks the monk's a striker, or the guy who picked a Bladelock than I am about the guy w/ the GWM barbarian or the fighter archer sharpshooter+xbow expert.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kilpatds, post: 6964342, member: 55079"] Until your last two paragraphs, I'm in complete agreement. Yes, there is far more to the game than being a 1-dimensional melee striker. Yes, doing attack-plan-alpha every combat every time gets a bit boring. Yes to all of that. :) My only areas of disagreement are around "how fair is this to the TWF that think's he's a striker. He shoulda just built better" parts. D&D is a weird game in that it's neither zero-sum nor really competitive. I (and many others) don't play D&D to WIN it, I play it for various other reasons. As a result, "oh, I didn't win when I could have" is a really weird line of thought, and one I think ends up being destructive to the actual game experience. So I think "outshining the guy who thought he was a striker, but wasn't" is an actual issue. I'm just trying to point out that, IMHO, that's the only actual issue here. Outshining the DM isn't really possible: the DM can do whatever is required (all monsters roll max HP, but have -2 to their saves. All combats involve a ranged element and a melee element. Etc, whatever, whatever). The concerns are only around outshining other players. And in that regard, I'm usually more worried about the guy who thinks the monk's a striker, or the guy who picked a Bladelock than I am about the guy w/ the GWM barbarian or the fighter archer sharpshooter+xbow expert. [/QUOTE]

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