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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tormyr" data-source="post: 6957767" data-attributes="member: 6776887">My stats were from an ancient dragon. Your numbers are better for the adult dragon (DC 19 and 3d6 necrotic damagedamage).<s>Fang dragons are super quick</s>, so I balanced the lack of breath weapon by letting bite be a legendary action. 3 extra bites a round suddenly gets scary.EDIT: Don't know why I remember the fang dragon as being super fast. I went back and reread the 3.5 Fang dragon and found these things to be unique to it:* Con drain on bite instead of breath weapon (5e uses max HP drain instead)* Teeth, claws, and scales are super sharp, so weapons do 1 size class bigger of damage (presumably to make up for the lack of breath weapon).* Sound imitation ability.So we are working on what to do about the bite. Weapon attacks are interesting though. There is no difference in damage dice between an Ancient, Adult, and Young White Dragons. The damage difference between them is in their breath weapons and Strength modifiers. So we can add a damage die to each of them (+1d10 bite, +1d6 claw, +1d8 tail), and that helps DPR, but it reduces the threat of the bite from the 3.5 version. 7 (2d6) Con damage is enough to kill PCs with low Con scores with a high enough roll. 5e doesn't really work that way. It generally gives PCs more chances rather than dealing 1 hit kills.What CR did you actually want the Adult Fang Dragon to be? You started with the Adult White Dragon with a CR of 13. That CR does not take into account the tail attack as a legendary action 3 times per round. The CR then become 17 if the tail attacks are factored in. The CR that you actually want will help determine where to distribute the fang dragon's damage, and giving it the bite as a legendary action will compensate for the lack of breath weapon and have more loss of max HP.EDITEDIT: So I took another look at DPR. If you keep all weapon attacks the same on the Adult White Dragon except change the cold damage to 3d6 necrotic on the bite (an ancient would have 4d6), and give it a bite as a legendary action that costs two actions, the DPR will be almost the same. The CR would end up at 16. Making the bite only cost 1 legendary action would make the monster a CR 18.</blockquote>

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