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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8883775" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Let's run some numbers.</p><p></p><p>If we use the <strong><a href="https://www.enworld.org/posts/8839023" target="_blank">current version</a></strong>, its <em><strong>Bite</strong></em> and <em><strong>Quarterstaff</strong></em> do piddly damage compared to its <em><strong>Bolt of Ruination</strong></em>, a mere 11 average with <em><strong>Multiattack</strong></em> compared to the 39 its Bolt does. Heck, it can Multiattack with a Bolt and its Staff for 45 damage.</p><p></p><p>Oh, it also can <em><strong>Spirit Strike</strong></em> or <em><strong>Summon Hyena</strong></em> as a bonus action for another 7, making 52.</p><p></p><p>Running those numbers through the CR Calculator says its CR is 7, it'd be CR 6 with a 39 DPR from just the bolt damage.</p><p></p><p>If it has six Spectral Hyenas in the fray <em><strong>as well</strong></em> then those would each add another 7 necrotic damage to the DPR, for 42. If it summoned its pack on the first round, then Multiattack with bolt & staff on the next two, its theoretical max average damage would be 42+7 = 49 on round #1 and 45½+42+7 = 94½ on round #2 and #3, which is a DPR of 79⅔. That'd punch it up to Challenge 9!</p><p></p><p>Compariwise, the <em><strong>Brute</strong></em> and <em><strong>Flail</strong></em> with triple-attack <em><strong>Multiattack</strong></em> that's currently the Enworld Working Draft has a <em><strong>Multiattack</strong></em> average damage of 41, or 32 if we cut the +3 proficiency bonus to damage, which I'm leaning towards doing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmm… it might be easier to have the spectral pack damage "built into" the Beast Shamans action economy, so it needs to use some kind of action to get the whole pack to attack. Then it wouldn't double-dip by being able to do Bolt damage with its entire pack.</p><p></p><p>Also thinking we might need to cut the Brute, higher Strength and damage proficiency to keep the DPR under control.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8883775, member: 57383"] Let's run some numbers. If we use the [B][URL='https://www.enworld.org/posts/8839023']current version[/URL][/B], its [I][B]Bite[/B][/I] and [I][B]Quarterstaff[/B][/I] do piddly damage compared to its [I][B]Bolt of Ruination[/B][/I], a mere 11 average with [I][B]Multiattack[/B][/I] compared to the 39 its Bolt does. Heck, it can Multiattack with a Bolt and its Staff for 45 damage. Oh, it also can [I][B]Spirit Strike[/B][/I] or [I][B]Summon Hyena[/B][/I] as a bonus action for another 7, making 52. Running those numbers through the CR Calculator says its CR is 7, it'd be CR 6 with a 39 DPR from just the bolt damage. If it has six Spectral Hyenas in the fray [I][B]as well[/B][/I] then those would each add another 7 necrotic damage to the DPR, for 42. If it summoned its pack on the first round, then Multiattack with bolt & staff on the next two, its theoretical max average damage would be 42+7 = 49 on round #1 and 45½+42+7 = 94½ on round #2 and #3, which is a DPR of 79⅔. That'd punch it up to Challenge 9! Compariwise, the [I][B]Brute[/B][/I] and [I][B]Flail[/B][/I] with triple-attack [I][B]Multiattack[/B][/I] that's currently the Enworld Working Draft has a [I][B]Multiattack[/B][/I] average damage of 41, or 32 if we cut the +3 proficiency bonus to damage, which I'm leaning towards doing. Hmm… it might be easier to have the spectral pack damage "built into" the Beast Shamans action economy, so it needs to use some kind of action to get the whole pack to attack. Then it wouldn't double-dip by being able to do Bolt damage with its entire pack. Also thinking we might need to cut the Brute, higher Strength and damage proficiency to keep the DPR under control. [/QUOTE]
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