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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 9245947" data-attributes="member: 57383">The spells up to 3rd-level look fine to me, but the higher level ones are problematic.Firstly, dominate beast (flying only) overlaps with its Enslave Aerial Creature&quot; ability, which does the same thing except it affects any type of flying creature rather than just flying beasts.That seems redundant.Secondly, I don't believe infernal calling is an SRD spell and, even if it was, I would be against having the Exalted Thrall summon a Vrock unless you want to seriously boost the Challenge Rating.If the thrall's Challenge incorporates a CR 6 Vrock and three to nine CR 1 Demon Locust Swarms it's going to end up at a CR higher than the +3 Proficiency Bonus band we're currently aiming at.Thirdly, I'm fine with giant insect, since it summons roughly CR 3 worth of creatures. That's basically the same as the three CR 1 demonic locust swarms its Breath of Pazreal conjures so should be more-or-less balanced.That said, I would rather use &quot;(wasp only)&quot; instead of (flying only) since they're the only flying insect option for the SRD <a href="https://www.5esrd.com/database/spell/giant-insect" target="_blank">giant insect</a>.Come to think of it, we statted up a giant horsefly for 5E. How about adding that as an alternative giant insect?Something like &quot;giant insect (wasps or flies*)&quot; with the asterisk linking to a note saying &quot;The exalted thrall's giant insect spell can transform up to five wasps or three flies. A fly becomes a giant horsefly (see Giant Tabanid for statistics).&quot;Now I'm tempted to add &quot;ten giant locusts&quot; as an option, but we'd have to stat those up.As far as I know there isn't an official 5E Giant Locust, although they do exist in earlier editions of D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 9245947, member: 57383"] The spells up to 3rd-level look fine to me, but the higher level ones are problematic. Firstly, [i]dominate beast[/i] (flying only) overlaps with its [I][B]Enslave Aerial Creature[/B][/I]" ability, which does the same thing except it affects any type of flying creature rather than just flying beasts. That seems redundant. Secondly, I don't believe [i]infernal calling[/i] is an SRD spell and, even if it was, I would be against having the Exalted Thrall summon a Vrock unless you want to seriously boost the Challenge Rating. If the thrall's [b]Challenge[/b] incorporates a CR 6 Vrock and three to nine CR 1 Demon Locust Swarms it's going to end up at a CR higher than the +3 Proficiency Bonus band we're currently aiming at. Thirdly, I'm fine with [i]giant insect[/i], since it summons roughly CR 3 worth of creatures. That's basically the same as the three CR 1 demonic locust swarms its [i][b]Breath of Pazreal[/b][/i] conjures so should be more-or-less balanced. That said, I would rather use "(wasp only)" instead of (flying only) since they're the only flying insect option for the SRD [i][b][url='https://www.5esrd.com/database/spell/giant-insect']giant insect[/url][/b][/i]. Come to think of it, we statted up a giant horsefly for 5E. How about adding that as an alternative giant insect? Something like "[i]giant insect[/i] (wasps or flies*)" with the asterisk linking to a note saying "The exalted thrall's [i]giant insect[/i] spell can transform up to five wasps or three flies. A fly becomes a giant horsefly (see Giant Tabanid for statistics)." Now I'm tempted to add "ten giant locusts" as an option, but we'd have to stat those up. As far as I know there isn't an official 5E Giant Locust, although they do exist in earlier editions of D&D. [/QUOTE]

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