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<blockquote data-quote="MechaPilot" data-source="post: 6658345" data-attributes="member: 82779">My issue with the delay of subclasses to third level&nbsp; to enable the zero-to-hero mentality is that it's implemented in a lopsided manner.&nbsp; Clerics and sorcerers get their subclass at first level, druids and wizards get theirs at second, and everyone else gets theirs at third.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; The reasoning that was given in a Legends &amp; Lore article during the playtest was that the choice of subclass was more intrinsic to some classes at first level.&nbsp; Assuming for the moment that I buy that line of reasoning (which I don't, by the way), then you simply adjust all the classes to get the subclass choice earlier.With regard to subclass being a more intrinsic choice for certain classes, I can buy that argument for the sorcerer (who is supposedly born magical) but not for the others.&nbsp; There is no need for the wizard's school specialization, or the druid's circle choice, to occur one level earlier than a martial archetype, roguish archetype, ranger archetype, monastic tradition, or a paladin's oath.&nbsp; The cleric is a similar affair.&nbsp; Yes, the cleric (under the traditional model of the cleric) should have a chosen deity at first level.&nbsp; However, many deities have more than one domain.&nbsp; It's sort of like a priest deciding whether they want to be a fire-and-brimstone preacher or a forgiveness and love type of preacher.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MechaPilot, post: 6658345, member: 82779"] My issue with the delay of subclasses to third level to enable the zero-to-hero mentality is that it's implemented in a lopsided manner. Clerics and sorcerers get their subclass at first level, druids and wizards get theirs at second, and everyone else gets theirs at third. Why? The reasoning that was given in a Legends & Lore article during the playtest was that the choice of subclass was more intrinsic to some classes at first level. Assuming for the moment that I buy that line of reasoning (which I don't, by the way), then you simply adjust all the classes to get the subclass choice earlier. With regard to subclass being a more intrinsic choice for certain classes, I can buy that argument for the sorcerer (who is supposedly born magical) but not for the others. There is no need for the wizard's school specialization, or the druid's circle choice, to occur one level earlier than a martial archetype, roguish archetype, ranger archetype, monastic tradition, or a paladin's oath. The cleric is a similar affair. Yes, the cleric (under the traditional model of the cleric) should have a chosen deity at first level. However, many deities have more than one domain. It's sort of like a priest deciding whether they want to be a fire-and-brimstone preacher or a forgiveness and love type of preacher. [/QUOTE]

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