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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6662430" data-attributes="member: 6790260">What cost, exactly, do magic-users pay for this? Unless you mean the spell itself, which was a cost to begin with...that is, casting the spell at all requires the resource in the first place. If that counts, why doesn't the Fighter's Action Surge let her deal damage with every attack made using it? (Since I doubt you'd be okay with that, given the way you phrased the cost.)Given the conversations I've seen from a number of people--not everyone by a long shot, but a very substantial number nonetheless--who feel the &quot;all monsters are just bags of HP&quot; situation really does constrain their ability to play the game the way they wish to...Well, let's just say that &quot;it's not hard to complexify the game&quot; is not nearly the truism you'd like it to be. I'm not saying it's false, but enough people question it that I couldn't accept it as self-evident even if I wanted to.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6662430, member: 6790260"] What cost, exactly, do magic-users pay for this? Unless you mean the spell itself, which was a cost to begin with...that is, casting the spell at all requires the resource in the first place. If that counts, why doesn't the Fighter's Action Surge let her deal damage with every attack made using it? (Since I doubt you'd be okay with that, given the way you phrased the cost.) Given the conversations I've seen from a number of people--not everyone by a long shot, but a very substantial number nonetheless--who feel the "all monsters are just bags of HP" situation really [I]does[/I] constrain their ability to play the game the way they wish to... Well, let's just say that "it's not hard to complexify the game" is not nearly the truism you'd like it to be. I'm not saying it's [I]false[/I], but enough people question it that I couldn't accept it as self-evident even if I wanted to. [/QUOTE]

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