Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
5e Fighter, Do You Enjoy Playiing It?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6663856" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>My experience with newbies suggests this isn't the whole story. My group that started with 4e last year likes 5e more, and they don't have any baggage associated with the "classic feel." They do like the fact that they don't have six different complex and detailed powers staring them in the face every turn with walls of jargon embedded in them. </p><p></p><p>A reduction in options makes 5e more accessible to them. </p><p></p><p>I am relatively confident that they're not the exception to the rule - 5e has made an effort to lower the barrier to entry, and this means lowering the things one must manage (and so lowering the option quantity). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Disagree. To hand-wave complexity, you need to have a high degree of system mastery - you have to know what the complexity accomplishes, so that you don't lose a meaningful game element when you hand-wave it. You already have to understand the complexity. To add complexity to a robust system requires comparatively low system mastery. <em>Robust</em> is the keyword there: that is the trait that makes it hard to break. A system that seeks out precise balance and carefully contextualized options is not robust, even if there are a few of them. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>More choices is always more chaff for someone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6663856, member: 2067"] My experience with newbies suggests this isn't the whole story. My group that started with 4e last year likes 5e more, and they don't have any baggage associated with the "classic feel." They do like the fact that they don't have six different complex and detailed powers staring them in the face every turn with walls of jargon embedded in them. A reduction in options makes 5e more accessible to them. I am relatively confident that they're not the exception to the rule - 5e has made an effort to lower the barrier to entry, and this means lowering the things one must manage (and so lowering the option quantity). Disagree. To hand-wave complexity, you need to have a high degree of system mastery - you have to know what the complexity accomplishes, so that you don't lose a meaningful game element when you hand-wave it. You already have to understand the complexity. To add complexity to a robust system requires comparatively low system mastery. [I]Robust[/I] is the keyword there: that is the trait that makes it hard to break. A system that seeks out precise balance and carefully contextualized options is not robust, even if there are a few of them. More choices is always more chaff for someone. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
5e Fighter, Do You Enjoy Playiing It?
Top