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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6663856" data-attributes="member: 2067">My experience with newbies suggests this isn't the whole story. My group that started with 4e last year likes 5e more, and they don't have any baggage associated with the "classic feel." They do like the fact that they don't have six different complex and detailed powers staring them in the face every turn with walls of jargon embedded in them. A reduction in options makes 5e more accessible to them. I am relatively confident that they're not the exception to the rule - 5e has made an effort to lower the barrier to entry, and this means lowering the things one must manage (and so lowering the option quantity). Disagree. To hand-wave complexity, you need to have a high degree of system mastery - you have to know what the complexity accomplishes, so that you don't lose a meaningful game element when you hand-wave it. You already have to understand the complexity. To add complexity to a robust system requires comparatively low system mastery. Robust is the keyword there: that is the trait that makes it hard to break. A system that seeks out precise balance and carefully contextualized options is not robust, even if there are a few of them. More choices is always more chaff for someone.</blockquote>