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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 8288029" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>Compare Wizard spell points that recharge per long rest versus Warlock spell points that recharge per short rest.</p><p></p><p>The Wizard, Bard, Cleric, Druid, and Sorcerer all share the same Spellcasting table for a fullcaster. So when I refer to "Wizard" the same is true for all fullcasters generally.</p><p></p><p>Both Wizard and Warlock get the same number of cantrips at the same time. Also both access the highest slots 6 to 9, at the same time. Namely: slot 6 at level 11, S7 at L13, S8 at L15, and S9 at L17. (The Wizard gets an additional S6 and S7 at levels 19 and 20, but I am less concerned about these, since a nice capstone can make up for them.)</p><p></p><p>Of concern are the spells of slots 1 to 5.</p><p></p><p>Both the Wizard and the Warlock are fullcasters, so their spellcasting abilities need to be comparable, even if one is refreshing per long rest and the other is refreshing per short rest.</p><p></p><p>It turns out, that the Warlock is especially insufficient at spellcasting around levels 8 to 10. Later, it gets better again, but the mid-tier is especially painful for the Warlock.</p><p></p><p>For both Wizard and Warlock, each spell slot is counted as being worth a number of points equal to its slot level + 1.</p><p></p><p>Look at level 10 for both classes, Wizard and Warlock. The Wizard has about 4.667 times more spell points than the Warlock does. In other words, the Warlock would need to have almost four short rests in the same day to remain comparable to a fullcaster. This disparity feels unacceptable. I dont want this situation for a Psion that uses a Warlock chassis. I want the Psion to be a fullcaster.</p><p></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td>L</td><td>WIZARD<br /> spell points for slots 1 to 5<br /> <br /> per Long Rest</td><td>WARLOCK<br /> spell points for slots 1 to 5<br /> <br /> per Short Rest</td><td>Ratio</td></tr><tr><td>L1</td><td>4</td><td>2</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td>L2</td><td>6</td><td>4</td><td>1.5</td></tr><tr><td>L3</td><td>14</td><td>6</td><td>2.333</td></tr><tr><td>L4</td><td>17</td><td>6</td><td>2.833</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L5</td><td>25</td><td>8</td><td>3.125</td></tr><tr><td><strong>L6</strong></td><td>29</td><td>8</td><td><strong><span style="color: rgb(226, 80, 65)">3.625</span></strong></td></tr><tr><td>L7</td><td>34</td><td>10</td><td><span style="color: rgb(226, 80, 65)"><strong>3.4</strong></span></td></tr><tr><td><strong>L8</strong></td><td>39</td><td>10</td><td><strong><span style="color: rgb(226, 80, 65)">3.9</span></strong></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td><strong>L9</strong></td><td>50</td><td>12</td><td><span style="color: rgb(251, 160, 38)"><strong>4.167</strong></span></td></tr><tr><td><strong>L10</strong></td><td>56</td><td>12</td><td><span style="color: rgb(251, 160, 38)"><strong>4.667</strong></span></td></tr><tr><td>L11</td><td>56</td><td>18</td><td>3.111</td></tr><tr><td>L12</td><td>56</td><td>18</td><td>3.111</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L13</td><td>56</td><td>18</td><td>3.111</td></tr><tr><td>L14</td><td>56</td><td>18</td><td>3.111</td></tr><tr><td>L15</td><td>56</td><td>18</td><td>3.111</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>56</td><td>18</td><td>3.111</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>17</td><td>56</td><td>24</td><td>2.333</td></tr><tr><td>18</td><td>62</td><td>24</td><td>2.583</td></tr><tr><td>19</td><td>62</td><td>24</td><td>2.583</td></tr><tr><td>20</td><td>62</td><td>24</td><td>2.583</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr></table><p></p><p></p><p>In sum, the Warlock needs more spell points, especially levels 9 and 10, but also levels 6 to 8 require attention.</p><p></p><p>The number of short rests that characters can enjoy each day, is campaign dependent. Players at one table will have different experiences from players at an other table.</p><p></p><p>I assume it is fair to expect one, probably two short rests. If so, then the ratio of Wizard spell points to Warlock spell points should be roughly about 3 times more.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Therefore, the Psion will gain three spell slots sooner, at level 8, instead of at level 11. The tweak increases the number of spell points available during the levels when the Psion needs them most.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>PSION</strong></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td>L</td><td>Number of<br /> Slots<br /> <br /> per<br /> Short Rest</td><td>Slot Level</td><td><em>Equivalent<br /> spell points<br /> <br /> per <br /> Short Rest</em></td><td>Cantrip<br /> <br /> <br /> At-Will</td><td>Invocation<br /> <br /> <br /> At-Will</td><td>Arcanum<br /> <br /> <br /> each per<br /> Long Rest</td></tr><tr><td>L1</td><td>1</td><td>S1</td><td><em>2</em></td><td>2</td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L2</td><td>2</td><td>S1</td><td><em>4</em></td><td>2</td><td>2</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L3</td><td>2</td><td>S2</td><td><em>6</em></td><td>2</td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L4</td><td>2</td><td>S2</td><td><em>6</em></td><td>3</td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L5</td><td>2</td><td>S3</td><td><em>8</em></td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L6</td><td>2</td><td>S3</td><td><em>8</em></td><td>3</td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L7</td><td>2</td><td>S4</td><td><em>10</em></td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L8</td><td><strong>3</strong></td><td>S4</td><td><em>15</em></td><td>3</td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L9</td><td><strong>3</strong></td><td>S5</td><td><em>18</em></td><td>3</td><td>5</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L10</td><td><strong>3</strong></td><td>S5</td><td><em>18</em></td><td>4</td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L11</td><td>3</td><td>S5</td><td><em>18</em></td><td>4</td><td></td><td>S6</td></tr><tr><td>L12</td><td>3</td><td>S5</td><td><em>18</em></td><td>4</td><td>6</td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L13</td><td>3</td><td>S5</td><td><em>18</em></td><td>4</td><td></td><td>S7</td></tr><tr><td>L14</td><td>3</td><td>S5</td><td><em>18</em></td><td>4</td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L15</td><td>3</td><td>S5</td><td><em>18</em></td><td>4</td><td>7</td><td>S8</td></tr><tr><td>L16</td><td>3</td><td>S5</td><td><em>18</em></td><td>4</td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L17</td><td>4</td><td>S5</td><td><em>24</em></td><td>4</td><td></td><td>S9</td></tr><tr><td>L18</td><td>4</td><td>S5</td><td><em>24</em></td><td>4</td><td>8</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L19</td><td>4</td><td>S5</td><td><em>24</em></td><td>4</td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>L20</td><td>4</td><td>S5</td><td><em>24</em></td><td>4</td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr></table></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 8288029, member: 58172"] Compare Wizard spell points that recharge per long rest versus Warlock spell points that recharge per short rest. The Wizard, Bard, Cleric, Druid, and Sorcerer all share the same Spellcasting table for a fullcaster. So when I refer to "Wizard" the same is true for all fullcasters generally. Both Wizard and Warlock get the same number of cantrips at the same time. Also both access the highest slots 6 to 9, at the same time. Namely: slot 6 at level 11, S7 at L13, S8 at L15, and S9 at L17. (The Wizard gets an additional S6 and S7 at levels 19 and 20, but I am less concerned about these, since a nice capstone can make up for them.) Of concern are the spells of slots 1 to 5. Both the Wizard and the Warlock are fullcasters, so their spellcasting abilities need to be comparable, even if one is refreshing per long rest and the other is refreshing per short rest. It turns out, that the Warlock is especially insufficient at spellcasting around levels 8 to 10. Later, it gets better again, but the mid-tier is especially painful for the Warlock. For both Wizard and Warlock, each spell slot is counted as being worth a number of points equal to its slot level + 1. Look at level 10 for both classes, Wizard and Warlock. The Wizard has about 4.667 times more spell points than the Warlock does. In other words, the Warlock would need to have almost four short rests in the same day to remain comparable to a fullcaster. This disparity feels unacceptable. I dont want this situation for a Psion that uses a Warlock chassis. I want the Psion to be a fullcaster. [TABLE] [TR] [TD]L[/TD] [TD]WIZARD spell points for slots 1 to 5 per Long Rest[/TD] [TD]WARLOCK spell points for slots 1 to 5 per Short Rest[/TD] [TD]Ratio[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L1[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L2[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]1.5[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L3[/TD] [TD]14[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]2.333[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L4[/TD] [TD]17[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]2.833[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L5[/TD] [TD]25[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]3.125[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]L6[/B][/TD] [TD]29[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD][B][COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)]3.625[/COLOR][/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L7[/TD] [TD]34[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)][B]3.4[/B][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]L8[/B][/TD] [TD]39[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD][B][COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)]3.9[/COLOR][/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]L9[/B][/TD] [TD]50[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(251, 160, 38)][B]4.167[/B][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]L10[/B][/TD] [TD]56[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD][COLOR=rgb(251, 160, 38)][B]4.667[/B][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L11[/TD] [TD]56[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]3.111[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L12[/TD] [TD]56[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]3.111[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L13[/TD] [TD]56[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]3.111[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L14[/TD] [TD]56[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]3.111[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L15[/TD] [TD]56[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]3.111[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]56[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]3.111[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]17[/TD] [TD]56[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]2.333[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]62[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]2.583[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]19[/TD] [TD]62[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]2.583[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]62[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]2.583[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] In sum, the Warlock needs more spell points, especially levels 9 and 10, but also levels 6 to 8 require attention. The number of short rests that characters can enjoy each day, is campaign dependent. Players at one table will have different experiences from players at an other table. I assume it is fair to expect one, probably two short rests. If so, then the ratio of Wizard spell points to Warlock spell points should be roughly about 3 times more. Therefore, the Psion will gain three spell slots sooner, at level 8, instead of at level 11. The tweak increases the number of spell points available during the levels when the Psion needs them most. [B]PSION[/B] [TABLE] [TR] [TD]L[/TD] [TD]Number of Slots per Short Rest[/TD] [TD]Slot Level[/TD] [TD][I]Equivalent spell points per Short Rest[/I][/TD] [TD]Cantrip At-Will[/TD] [TD]Invocation At-Will[/TD] [TD]Arcanum each per Long Rest[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L1[/TD] [TD]1[/TD] [TD]S1[/TD] [TD][I]2[/I][/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L2[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]S1[/TD] [TD][I]4[/I][/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L3[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]S2[/TD] [TD][I]6[/I][/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L4[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]S2[/TD] [TD][I]6[/I][/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L5[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]S3[/TD] [TD][I]8[/I][/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L6[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]S3[/TD] [TD][I]8[/I][/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L7[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]S4[/TD] [TD][I]10[/I][/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L8[/TD] [TD][B]3[/B][/TD] [TD]S4[/TD] [TD][I]15[/I][/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L9[/TD] [TD][B]3[/B][/TD] [TD]S5[/TD] [TD][I]18[/I][/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L10[/TD] [TD][B]3[/B][/TD] [TD]S5[/TD] [TD][I]18[/I][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L11[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]S5[/TD] [TD][I]18[/I][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]S6[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L12[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]S5[/TD] [TD][I]18[/I][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L13[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]S5[/TD] [TD][I]18[/I][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]S7[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L14[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]S5[/TD] [TD][I]18[/I][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L15[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]S5[/TD] [TD][I]18[/I][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]S8[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L16[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]S5[/TD] [TD][I]18[/I][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L17[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]S5[/TD] [TD][I]24[/I][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]S9[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L18[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]S5[/TD] [TD][I]24[/I][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L19[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]S5[/TD] [TD][I]24[/I][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L20[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]S5[/TD] [TD][I]24[/I][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/QUOTE]
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