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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cbwjm" data-source="post: 8290871" data-attributes="member: 6788732">For preserving/defiling, I actually prefer a separate subsystem rather than a subclass. That way it makes it easier to integrate with other various classes/subclasses. I think an eldritch knight should be available on Athas to represent the old fighter/mage multiclass so a separate system would enable them to preserve/defile. I think 4e had an at-will reaction power that allowed a character to boost any arcane power, something like that I think would be good, though perhaps Mearls' simple "roll 11 or higher and regain the slot" would be best.When I played around with preserving/defiling ages ago, it was something where I was considering wizards only and a wizard who defiled could access the spell levels from their arcane recovery feature instantly, allowing a 5th level defiler to fire off a 3rd fireball if needed. I also had a couple of feats that cemented a wizard's power in preserving/defiling. This only interacts with a single class though, so I'd have had to create something new for each class that defiled. I think another option I had was that defiling allowed you to add metamagic to a spell, I think that's how they did defiling in the 3e dark sun articles.</blockquote>