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<blockquote data-quote="smbakeresq" data-source="post: 7486968" data-attributes="member: 28301">See my example already posted.&nbsp; No it isn't, its in a space heavily obscured, and makes no sound, so your passive perception wont help you.&nbsp; It isn't trying to hide, it has the invisible condition so can't be seen :&quot;In v i s i b l e • An invisible creature is impossible to see without the aid of magic or a special sense. For the purpose of hiding, the creature is heavily obscured. The creature’s location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves. • Attack rolls against the creature have disadvantage, and the creature’s attack rolls have advantage&quot;In the case of a Golem, which doesn't breathe or make sounds, I would use the Hidden Object rules until it does something:&quot;Fi n d i n g a H id d e n O bject When your character searches for a hidden object such as a secret door or a trap, the DM typically asks you to make a Wisdom (Perception) check. Such a check can be used to find hidden details or other information and clues that you might otherwise overlook. In most cases, you need to describe where you are looking in order for the DM to determine your chance of success. For example, a key is hidden beneath a set of folded clothes in the top drawer of a bureau. If you tell the DM that you pace around the room, looking at the walls and furniture for clues, you have no chance of finding the key, regardless of your Wisdom (Perception) check result. You would have to specify that you were opening the drawers or searching the bureau in order to have any chance of success.&quot;If you do not attack or emit sound then you do not need to make a hide check as you have the invisible condition and thus are impossible to see without aid of magic or special sense.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="smbakeresq, post: 7486968, member: 28301"] See my example already posted. No it isn't, its in a space heavily obscured, and makes no sound, so your passive perception wont help you. It isn't trying to hide, it has the invisible condition so can't be seen : [I]"In v i s i b l e • An invisible creature is impossible to see without the aid of magic or a special sense. For the purpose of hiding, the creature is heavily obscured. The creature’s location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves. • Attack rolls against the creature have disadvantage, and the creature’s attack rolls have advantage"[/I] In the case of a Golem, which doesn't breathe or make sounds, I would use the Hidden Object rules until it does something: "Fi n d i n g a H id d e n O bject When your character searches for a hidden object such as a secret door or a trap, the DM typically asks you to make a Wisdom (Perception) check. Such a check can be used to find hidden details or other information and clues that you might otherwise overlook. In most cases, you need to describe where you are looking in order for the DM to determine your chance of success. For example, a key is hidden beneath a set of folded clothes in the top drawer of a bureau. If you tell the DM that you pace around the room, looking at the walls and furniture for clues, you have no chance of finding the key, regardless of your Wisdom (Perception) check result. You would have to specify that you were opening the drawers or searching the bureau in order to have any chance of success." If you do not attack or emit sound then you do not need to make a hide check as you have the invisible condition and thus are impossible to see without aid of magic or special sense. [/QUOTE]

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