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<blockquote data-quote="smbakeresq" data-source="post: 7486998" data-attributes="member: 28301"><p>Because its how you read English. You also read only that sentence but nothing else, try reading them all.</p><p></p><p> You are trying to achieve the same thing, but each has its own set of prerequisites. Hiding is the Hide action, requiring you to not be seen (cant take Hide action) by using something to obscure vision like being out of line of sight. Invisibility always allows you to take the Hide action, its in the description of the Hide action. Lurking in Darkness means being in an area that is heavily obscured, such as an area with no light or beyond creatures vision with its light source, for example you are 60' away from a creature holding a torch. They all achieve the same thing.</p><p></p><p>In my example, I explained it. It is also in the monsters description, which I quoted. Its called an Invisible Stalker, not an invisible and silent stalker. The Stalker is undetectable until it move, it moves and makes a hide check with a +10 modifier as it makes sound as it moves, like the wind and in a direction if you are perceptive enough (active not passive) and if it attacks you know the direction of the attack and its location (Unseen attackers and Targets) where upon you focus on it and track it until it stops making noise and leaves no trace of its movement (takes the Hide action.) You could take an opportunity attack if it moves away (with disadvantage.) </p><p></p><p></p><p>I get your confusion, but the Stalkers description clearly states "Unseen Threat. Invisible stalkers are composed of air and are naturally invisible. <strong>A creature might hear and feel an invisible stalker in passing, but the elemental remains invisible even when it attacks.</strong> A spell that allows someone to see the invisible reveals only the invisible stalker's vague outline. </p><p></p><p>Its always invisible but you can hear and feel it in passing. It can ALWAYS try to move silently (HIDE) since it always has the invisibility condition. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Knowing a creatures location IS VERY DIFFERENT then seeing it, if a rogue ducks behind a column in the middle of a room it is unseen (and can take the hide action) but you know where it is (behind the column.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This distinction is how rogues operate BTW. The rogue attacks with advantage from being hidden (getting bonus damage) gives away its position by attacking (see Unseen Attackers and Targets) and then uses cunning action (bonus action to take Hide action) to Hide again, with a move in their somewhere.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smbakeresq, post: 7486998, member: 28301"] Because its how you read English. You also read only that sentence but nothing else, try reading them all. You are trying to achieve the same thing, but each has its own set of prerequisites. Hiding is the Hide action, requiring you to not be seen (cant take Hide action) by using something to obscure vision like being out of line of sight. Invisibility always allows you to take the Hide action, its in the description of the Hide action. Lurking in Darkness means being in an area that is heavily obscured, such as an area with no light or beyond creatures vision with its light source, for example you are 60' away from a creature holding a torch. They all achieve the same thing. In my example, I explained it. It is also in the monsters description, which I quoted. Its called an Invisible Stalker, not an invisible and silent stalker. The Stalker is undetectable until it move, it moves and makes a hide check with a +10 modifier as it makes sound as it moves, like the wind and in a direction if you are perceptive enough (active not passive) and if it attacks you know the direction of the attack and its location (Unseen attackers and Targets) where upon you focus on it and track it until it stops making noise and leaves no trace of its movement (takes the Hide action.) You could take an opportunity attack if it moves away (with disadvantage.) I get your confusion, but the Stalkers description clearly states "Unseen Threat. Invisible stalkers are composed of air and are naturally invisible. [B]A creature might hear and feel an invisible stalker in passing, but the elemental remains invisible even when it attacks.[/B] A spell that allows someone to see the invisible reveals only the invisible stalker's vague outline. Its always invisible but you can hear and feel it in passing. It can ALWAYS try to move silently (HIDE) since it always has the invisibility condition. Knowing a creatures location IS VERY DIFFERENT then seeing it, if a rogue ducks behind a column in the middle of a room it is unseen (and can take the hide action) but you know where it is (behind the column.) This distinction is how rogues operate BTW. The rogue attacks with advantage from being hidden (getting bonus damage) gives away its position by attacking (see Unseen Attackers and Targets) and then uses cunning action (bonus action to take Hide action) to Hide again, with a move in their somewhere. [/QUOTE]
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