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<blockquote data-quote="smbakeresq" data-source="post: 7487761" data-attributes="member: 28301">That's the point I am making.&nbsp; A golem does nothing without direction, it is given a trigger by its creator.&nbsp; Its always been that way, and its in the description&quot;Blind Obedience. When its creator or possessor is on hand to command it, a golem performs flawlessly. If the golem is left without instructions or is incapacitated, it continues to follow its last orders to the best of its ability. When it can't fulfill its orders, a golem might react violently-or stand and do nothing. A golem that has been given conflicting orders sometimes alternates between them. A golem can't think or act for itself. Though it understands its commands perfectly, it has no grasp of language beyond that understanding, and can't be reasoned with or tricked with words. &quot;The problem as presented stated a motionless, invisible golem.&nbsp; It is either standing and doing nothing or it is awaiting some sort of trigger to do something.&nbsp; I figured it has no heartbeat or breath, and barring movement makes no sound.&nbsp; I wouldn't roll at all, it would appear as a Iron Statue of some sort to normal observation if you could see it.&nbsp; I wouldn't even roll a stealth check for it most cases, IMO its steps would shake the ground and it would make a lot of noise if it moved unless you really hit it with the WD40.&nbsp; The eyes do seem to glow so I could see the PCs noticing that to tell its a golem.&nbsp; It is also infused with an elemental spirit that could give it away.Yes you are correct though, you just wouldn't see it at all until the first strike came in.&nbsp; To make your iron golems tougher remember they have dark vision 120 and that standing in a fire damage area means they heal all the time.&nbsp; Traps that fill the golems room with fire are very effective.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="smbakeresq, post: 7487761, member: 28301"] That's the point I am making. A golem does nothing without direction, it is given a trigger by its creator. Its always been that way, and its in the description "Blind Obedience. When its creator or possessor is on hand to command it, a golem performs flawlessly. If the golem is left without instructions or is incapacitated, it continues to follow its last orders to the best of its ability. When it can't fulfill its orders, a golem might react violently-or stand and do nothing. A golem that has been given conflicting orders sometimes alternates between them. A golem can't think or act for itself. Though it understands its commands perfectly, it has no grasp of language beyond that understanding, and can't be reasoned with or tricked with words. " The problem as presented stated a motionless, invisible golem. It is either standing and doing nothing or it is awaiting some sort of trigger to do something. I figured it has no heartbeat or breath, and barring movement makes no sound. I wouldn't roll at all, it would appear as a Iron Statue of some sort to normal observation if you could see it. I wouldn't even roll a stealth check for it most cases, IMO its steps would shake the ground and it would make a lot of noise if it moved unless you really hit it with the WD40. The eyes do seem to glow so I could see the PCs noticing that to tell its a golem. It is also infused with an elemental spirit that could give it away. Yes you are correct though, you just wouldn't see it at all until the first strike came in. To make your iron golems tougher remember they have dark vision 120 and that standing in a fire damage area means they heal all the time. Traps that fill the golems room with fire are very effective. [/QUOTE]

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