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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 7488750" data-attributes="member: 6787503">I disagree that’s the closest analog. The iron golem I’m imagining isn’t a single piece of cast metal or anchored firmly to the ground the way a statue might be. It’s made of smaller plates or pieces of metal joined together in such a way as to allow movement, with its center of gravity in its torso, about where a person’s would be. Pressure from sudden gusts of air on the body of the creature would have to be resisted by counterbalancing movements to keep it from toppling over. The way I run stealth, hidden creatures are nearly always detected by sound because they need to avail themselves of some circumstance that blocks vision to them in order to hide in the first place, so I have no problem with invisibility that actually makes you invisible. You seem confused. The False Appearance trait doesn’t actually turn the gargoyles into statues. It just makes them look like statues. If they’re invisible, it doesn’t matter what they look like because they can’t be seen. If the idea that a hidden invisible creature might be noticed through sound makes no sense to you, then don’t make a ruling that it might be noticed that way. That’s fine with me. Personally, I rule out that hidden creatures have a chance of being noticed if they’re more than around 35 feet away. In this thread, I’ve only said that it does make sense to me that an invisible golem might be noticed by sound while hiding, and that because of that I would make a DEX check for the golem against the passive Perception scores of anyone who comes close enough and is alert to danger. By saying that, I’m not telling you how to run your game. I’ve   suggested setting a higher DC than what you could roll for the golem, but I think a better suggestion that’s more in line with how you seem to rule this situation is to not call for a check and to auto-surprise the PCs with the golem’s first attack. Do I have that right?</blockquote>

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