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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7491722" data-attributes="member: 23751">A ruling is for when the rule is unclear, like the jump rules.&nbsp; A house rule is for when the rule is clear, but you change it, like the gargoyle rule where there is no roll involved as they are automatically indistinguishable from statutes.&nbsp; There is no inconsistency or contradiction.&nbsp; Sure, if you ignore the intent of gargoyles for 5 editions and the wording that goes with them, you are able to come to that conclusion.&nbsp; I can ignore that a longsword does 1d8 damage and change that, too.&nbsp; The rules state flat out that they are able to be perfectly still for YEARS.&nbsp; That's simply not possible if they are rolling dex checks with a 9 dex whenever someone comes by.&nbsp; Feel free to ignore the wording and rules, though and make whatever rule you like for the situation.Incorrect!!!&nbsp; I realize that house ruling it to the more appropriate disguise skill is worse. -2 being worse than -1.&nbsp; If you're going to ignore the rules and intent of gargoyles, though, you might as well do it in a more reasonable way.&nbsp; It's not like making the already super crappy house ruled ability worse is going to mean much.The game as for 3 editions now simply used averages to represent creatures in the monster manuals.&nbsp; That doesn't mean that they all have straight 10's.&nbsp; It's a convenience for the DM to know the averages for various creatures for when he doesn't need or want to roll for them.&nbsp; 4e went a step further and didn't even have you use stats unless you needed to, but like gargoyles the idea is the same.Context is your friend, dude.&nbsp; For several posts I've been referring to the various editions to show that gargoyles have been treated the same.&nbsp; I hadn't looked up 4e yet and just tossed it in there.&nbsp; I did not say that &quot;4e does it this way, so it's right because 4e says it is.&quot;&nbsp; I simply added yet another edition to the mix of gargoyle examples. Nope.&nbsp; Go read it a few more times until you understand it.&nbsp; Study up on context while you are at it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7491722, member: 23751"] A ruling is for when the rule is unclear, like the jump rules. A house rule is for when the rule is clear, but you change it, like the gargoyle rule where there is no roll involved as they are automatically indistinguishable from statutes. There is no inconsistency or contradiction. Sure, if you ignore the intent of gargoyles for 5 editions and the wording that goes with them, you are able to come to that conclusion. I can ignore that a longsword does 1d8 damage and change that, too. The rules state flat out that they are able to be perfectly still for YEARS. That's simply not possible if they are rolling dex checks with a 9 dex whenever someone comes by. Feel free to ignore the wording and rules, though and make whatever rule you like for the situation. Incorrect!!! I realize that house ruling it to the more appropriate disguise skill is worse. -2 being worse than -1. If you're going to ignore the rules and intent of gargoyles, though, you might as well do it in a more reasonable way. It's not like making the already super crappy house ruled ability worse is going to mean much. The game as for 3 editions now simply used averages to represent creatures in the monster manuals. That doesn't mean that they all have straight 10's. It's a convenience for the DM to know the averages for various creatures for when he doesn't need or want to roll for them. 4e went a step further and didn't even have you use stats unless you needed to, but like gargoyles the idea is the same. Context is your friend, dude. For several posts I've been referring to the various editions to show that gargoyles have been treated the same. I hadn't looked up 4e yet and just tossed it in there. I did not say that "4e does it this way, so it's right because 4e says it is." I simply added yet another edition to the mix of gargoyle examples. Nope. Go read it a few more times until you understand it. Study up on context while you are at it. [/QUOTE]

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