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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 9386620" data-attributes="member: 83242">It has been a while since I looked at their work. I don't remember them explaining how they developed the method, but I do remember having some issues with the implementation.  So this is something I need to do for myself for my own satisfaction and understanding. Their work is amazing and more thorough than I am ever likely to get, but without showing their work I can't really tell you the difference or trust how they got the numbers they did. For example:Monster by Level Comparison (at level 20)<table style='width: 100%'><tr><th>Method</th><th>Proficiency</th><th>Armor Class</th><th>Hit Points</th><th>Attack</th><th>DPR</th><th>Save DC</th></tr><tr><td>Giffyglyph</td><td>+6</td><td>22</td><td>226</td><td>+12</td><td>51</td><td>22</td></tr><tr><td>Dave2008</td><td>+6</td><td>22</td><td>160</td><td>+14</td><td>100</td><td>22</td></tr></table>That is quite a difference in HP and DPR and makes me trust their work even less. Their work seems to bring back the problem that 4e and 5e monsters have of too much HP and to little DPR. I'm hoping to correct that. If I had to guess they based their numbers on the WotC Monsters, and not PCs. Though I could be wrong.Finally, I am getting back into this again because I am working on my epic / immortals rules again and I needed to secure the foundation (so to speak) to understand my work at higher levels. So I doubt Giffy's work goes up to level 160 (with tier modifiers layered of that)! So I kinda need to figure it out for myself! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Also, the CR 5-6 monsters I am getting in my system are level 8, not 9 <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />EDIT: FYI, I just checked and Giffy converts a CR 5 standard monster to level 11-12, that is quite a bit different from what I am getting currently - but who know where I will end up![ATTACH=full]369529[/ATTACH]EDIT 2: I just realized he has many different versions of his work out there.  They have a different numbers too. The above was taken from their website (the Grimoire), but the Monster Maker PDF (also on their website) has the numbers below (and I found another PDF of the their Monster Maker that had different numbers still):[ATTACH=full]369530[/ATTACH]</blockquote>

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