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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gladius Legis" data-source="post: 7087725" data-attributes="member: 68748">Not for dual-wielders between the two classes, it doesn't.Fighter 11 with TWF style does maximum of 4d6+20 = 34/roundPaladin 11 (no TWF style obviously) does maximum of 3d6+3d8+10 = 34/roundSame damage. Except the Paladin probably took Defense since they can't get TWF style, so they also have a +1 AC to show for it. If the Fighter takes Defense instead of TWF (which would actually not be a bad idea), the Paladin would be ahead.Incidentally, for every other same-style comparison between the two classes, the Fighter is ahead at Lv. 11. Slightly so for Dueling + shield, a good deal so for Great Weapon. Which means TWF is an active liability for the Fighter class but actually an asset for the Paladin.Fighter 11; shortswords; 65% base hit chance; 1 short rest = 2 action surges/day, 10d10 Superiority Dice/dayAdditional damage of 2*.65*(3d6+15) + 10d10 (assuming all SD used on maneuver hits) = 88.15/day (not including crits)Paladin 11; all spell slots for Divine SmiteAdditional damage of 4*2d8 + 3*3d8 + 3*4d8 = 130.5/day (not including crits)One short rest certainly won't do it. Two short rests and the Fighter is only barely ahead (132.2). Action Surge with a d6 weapon is kinda puny. Paladin also pulls ahead of a Fighter with 2 short rests at Lv. 13 with his 4th-level spell slot and stays ahead until Lv. 18 with the Fighter's 2nd Action Surge and d12 Superiority Dice.</blockquote>

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