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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nivenus" data-source="post: 5778735" data-attributes="member: 71756">Keeping the 4e pantheon seems like a winning idea to me. I'll probably mostly play in FR or other settings anyway, but the 4e pantheon has a pretty good variety. I also like the idea of subtly implying that the main 4e gods are part of several larger pantheons, though I suppose YMMV.On the note about the fiends and Asmodeus, I actually was quite happy with the recasting of demons as elementals, since it distinguishes them more completely from devils. I like the idea of devils vs. demons but I felt too often the old lore made them too parallel to one another. Making them elementals gave the law vs. chaos aspect more weight, IMO.However, it did put yugoloths/daemons in a very awkward position, since there wasn't a viable "third" monster origin for daemons to hail from. In the end, 4e just took the easy way out and labeled yugoloths as another kind of demon. To a certain extent, this makes sense, in that yugoloths often seemed very much like demons in form, but it also unnecessarily marginalizes them, I think.In that respect, I think Pathfinder handled the fiends better.</blockquote>