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5e PHB Warlock Pact Blade Rules aren’t Clearly Stated - What is Your Interpretation
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<blockquote data-quote="Fire Brand" data-source="post: 6360797" data-attributes="member: 6687957"><p>Thanks for your insight! I'm having trouble quoting this so Ill try it this way for now just to finish your thought</p><p></p><p><quote>Yep. Any melee weapon. Not all eldritch knights are actually knights, either.</quote></p><p></p><p>Then why oh why do they use such terms? lol A: Flavor. Pact Weapon might be better but not as “sexy”. </p><p></p><p>[Sidenote: It seems like the Warlockhas a lot of the Names of spells that came over with it from 4e. I like that. (although I ignored 2e and 3.5e so I don’t know if any of them came from those editions) such as Eldritch Blast, Hellish Rebuke, Hunger of Hadar, Vampiric Touch etc.]</p><p></p><p><quote>There's no "getting the use back." You always have it.</quote></p><p></p><p><quote>You might use the power again if you've been disarmed. Or if you had to leave your weapon with a guard. Or just chosen to dismiss it, rather than have it sitting around. And the phrase being there makes it clear that you can't summon two for two-weapon fighting. </p><p></p><p><quote>You're overcomplicating things.</quote></p><p></p><p>ohhh I'm good at that : A mind flayer would reject my brain. If it were real combat I'd be at 1hp still wondering out loud if what happened is what was supposed to happen. Well look down at the scroll . What does it say. Well it's what it doesn't say. Too bad. You're dead : That's why I liked 4e. They spelled it out. Essentially though 5e is touted as easy to understand when in fact they word things poorly or don't finish their thoughts as though the people who wrote it know what they mean but there's questions to the reader in some cases. I guess when they also say it harkens back to previous editions they also mean rules like that lol</p><p></p><p>I'll quote the important parts verbatim pp107-108: "You can use your action to create a pact weapon in your empty hand. You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it" [...] "Your pact weapon disappears if it is more than 5 feet away from you for 1 minute or more. It also disappears if you use this feature again, if you dismiss the weapon (no action required), or if you die."</p><p></p><p>It's their wording of: "It also disappears if you use this feature again" that leaves me hanging for better wording because it sounds like if you try to take another swing then poof it's gone because you are trying to "use this feature again" I assumed with the same weapon. </p><p></p><p>If they flat out said it the way you two have interpreted it and the different scenarios in brief it would be clear. Now honestly I didn't think you could dual wield. </p><p></p><p><quote>You can’t wield a two-handed weapon, but you can hold it one. So there’s no reason a pact blade couldn’t be a two-hander.</quote></p><p></p><p>So you're saying even though the weapons table says you have to use it two-handed to attack, you can still hold one (I'd think some would be too heavy for a puny Warlock : ) you could still hope to pierce an opponent if they run into a polearm balanced on end on the ground under your armpit at an angle ala Prince Oberon in Game of Thrones (well before got cocky and had his head squashed like a watermelon : )</p><p></p><p>I was also (put on over-thinking helm) in terms of do they consider this a like a spell slot or 4e encounter power as temporary in melee trying to save-your-bacon because a Warlock is primarily ranged and ranged spells roll at disadvantage in melee situations. ie. is that the bottom line purpose. It sounds like everyone's interpretation is that it's an 'At-Will' melee boon to complement an 'At-Will' ranged cantrip Eldritch Blast. That makes sense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fire Brand, post: 6360797, member: 6687957"] Thanks for your insight! I'm having trouble quoting this so Ill try it this way for now just to finish your thought <quote>Yep. Any melee weapon. Not all eldritch knights are actually knights, either.</quote> Then why oh why do they use such terms? lol A: Flavor. Pact Weapon might be better but not as “sexy”. [Sidenote: It seems like the Warlockhas a lot of the Names of spells that came over with it from 4e. I like that. (although I ignored 2e and 3.5e so I don’t know if any of them came from those editions) such as Eldritch Blast, Hellish Rebuke, Hunger of Hadar, Vampiric Touch etc.] <quote>There's no "getting the use back." You always have it.</quote> <quote>You might use the power again if you've been disarmed. Or if you had to leave your weapon with a guard. Or just chosen to dismiss it, rather than have it sitting around. And the phrase being there makes it clear that you can't summon two for two-weapon fighting. <quote>You're overcomplicating things.</quote> ohhh I'm good at that : A mind flayer would reject my brain. If it were real combat I'd be at 1hp still wondering out loud if what happened is what was supposed to happen. Well look down at the scroll . What does it say. Well it's what it doesn't say. Too bad. You're dead : That's why I liked 4e. They spelled it out. Essentially though 5e is touted as easy to understand when in fact they word things poorly or don't finish their thoughts as though the people who wrote it know what they mean but there's questions to the reader in some cases. I guess when they also say it harkens back to previous editions they also mean rules like that lol I'll quote the important parts verbatim pp107-108: "You can use your action to create a pact weapon in your empty hand. You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it" [...] "Your pact weapon disappears if it is more than 5 feet away from you for 1 minute or more. It also disappears if you use this feature again, if you dismiss the weapon (no action required), or if you die." It's their wording of: "It also disappears if you use this feature again" that leaves me hanging for better wording because it sounds like if you try to take another swing then poof it's gone because you are trying to "use this feature again" I assumed with the same weapon. If they flat out said it the way you two have interpreted it and the different scenarios in brief it would be clear. Now honestly I didn't think you could dual wield. <quote>You can’t wield a two-handed weapon, but you can hold it one. So there’s no reason a pact blade couldn’t be a two-hander.</quote> So you're saying even though the weapons table says you have to use it two-handed to attack, you can still hold one (I'd think some would be too heavy for a puny Warlock : ) you could still hope to pierce an opponent if they run into a polearm balanced on end on the ground under your armpit at an angle ala Prince Oberon in Game of Thrones (well before got cocky and had his head squashed like a watermelon : ) I was also (put on over-thinking helm) in terms of do they consider this a like a spell slot or 4e encounter power as temporary in melee trying to save-your-bacon because a Warlock is primarily ranged and ranged spells roll at disadvantage in melee situations. ie. is that the bottom line purpose. It sounds like everyone's interpretation is that it's an 'At-Will' melee boon to complement an 'At-Will' ranged cantrip Eldritch Blast. That makes sense. [/QUOTE]
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