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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 7539290" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>[MENTION=6799753]lowkey13[/MENTION]</p><p> </p><p>Going to attempt to sum up my thoughts on this right quick and put a bow on it. I think you’ll disagree, but here it is.</p><p> </p><p>Lets go with baseball as the case study.</p><p> </p><p>Expert, professional hitters have about .125 seconds (after all the other components of the .4 to .45 seconds it takes from release to plate occur; such as eye hardware to neural software) to determine (a) what pitch this is (typically out of a suite of 3-4, very distinct pitches, including disguise; eg change-up vs fastball vs cutter with the same release), (b) is it a strike or a ball, (c) do I want to swing or take, (d) swing plane/angle of intercept.</p><p> </p><p>There are MRI and EEG studies right now that are gathering data on precisely what is going on (which includes the frontal lobe being active in truly expert hitters…which is a surprise given this short of an interval of time). We won’t have a firm grip for a few more years (which we’ll have to integrate with our growing knowledge of the central nervous system and cognition).</p><p> </p><p>Forget that an expert hitter succeeds at getting a hit only 1 in 3 times. The fact that tail-of-the-distribution humans can make contact, solid contact, at all (with extreme regularity for expert hitters) is borderline superhuman. </p><p> </p><p>My guess is one of two things is happening:</p><p> </p><p>1 - In millions of years of evolution (where so many answers to selection pressures faced were driven by acute understanding of spatial relationships), the unconscious mind of humans has evolved the ability to perform something equating to Euclidian Geometry in obscenely short intervals (eg .125 seconds). The conscious mind cannot and doesn’t interface with this phenomenon at all (therefore cannot explain it or “show its math”).</p><p> </p><p>Or</p><p> </p><p>2 - In millions of years of evolution, humans collectively have dealt with so many spatial relationship selection pressure anecdotes, nearly all relevant data relating to (1) above has been collected and formulae for all iterations of the various parameters have been derived and effectively “macroed”. Therefore, the unconscious mind just parameterizes the equation instantaneously based on sensory information perceived (and sometimes erroneously) so the macro can efficiently be dialed up to deal with the situation (in .125 seconds as is the case with baseball).</p><p> </p><p>Our conscious mind viscerally responds to this with emotion, confidence, foreboding, gut feeling, instinct, etc…but it is basically “bearing witness”, not doing the work. </p><p></p><p>I think there is something instructive here in that the more expert humans attempt to engage their conscious mind with the processes in play (in the OODA Loop moment), the worse they invariably get.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 7539290, member: 6696971"] [MENTION=6799753]lowkey13[/MENTION] Going to attempt to sum up my thoughts on this right quick and put a bow on it. I think you’ll disagree, but here it is. Lets go with baseball as the case study. Expert, professional hitters have about .125 seconds (after all the other components of the .4 to .45 seconds it takes from release to plate occur; such as eye hardware to neural software) to determine (a) what pitch this is (typically out of a suite of 3-4, very distinct pitches, including disguise; eg change-up vs fastball vs cutter with the same release), (b) is it a strike or a ball, (c) do I want to swing or take, (d) swing plane/angle of intercept. There are MRI and EEG studies right now that are gathering data on precisely what is going on (which includes the frontal lobe being active in truly expert hitters…which is a surprise given this short of an interval of time). We won’t have a firm grip for a few more years (which we’ll have to integrate with our growing knowledge of the central nervous system and cognition). Forget that an expert hitter succeeds at getting a hit only 1 in 3 times. The fact that tail-of-the-distribution humans can make contact, solid contact, at all (with extreme regularity for expert hitters) is borderline superhuman. My guess is one of two things is happening: 1 - In millions of years of evolution (where so many answers to selection pressures faced were driven by acute understanding of spatial relationships), the unconscious mind of humans has evolved the ability to perform something equating to Euclidian Geometry in obscenely short intervals (eg .125 seconds). The conscious mind cannot and doesn’t interface with this phenomenon at all (therefore cannot explain it or “show its math”). Or 2 - In millions of years of evolution, humans collectively have dealt with so many spatial relationship selection pressure anecdotes, nearly all relevant data relating to (1) above has been collected and formulae for all iterations of the various parameters have been derived and effectively “macroed”. Therefore, the unconscious mind just parameterizes the equation instantaneously based on sensory information perceived (and sometimes erroneously) so the macro can efficiently be dialed up to deal with the situation (in .125 seconds as is the case with baseball). Our conscious mind viscerally responds to this with emotion, confidence, foreboding, gut feeling, instinct, etc…but it is basically “bearing witness”, not doing the work. I think there is something instructive here in that the more expert humans attempt to engage their conscious mind with the processes in play (in the OODA Loop moment), the worse they invariably get. [/QUOTE]
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