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<blockquote data-quote="jayoungr" data-source="post: 8035475" data-attributes="member: 6702445">I feel like both halves of this section are too strict and will unduly penalize some characters.Regarding the first section, my interpretation of &quot;hidden&quot; is that the opposing creature might know that the hidden creature exists and might know that the hidden creature is a potential threat with the ability to attack, but does not know exactly where the hidden creature is.&nbsp; I believe it is the more stringent definition of being &quot;hidden&quot; that leads to the more severe restriction on when you will allow players to attempt it.Regarding the second section, I am playing a halfling rogue in a game right now (a lightfoot halfling, so [USER=2525]@Mistwell[/USER] 's point applies).&nbsp; Hiding so as to be able to attack from a hidden location and gain advantage (and therefore use sneak attack) is one of the main things I do when in combat.&nbsp; I do not believe it is too powerful, as (1) without sneak attack, my damage is far, far behind everyone else's and (2) using my bonus action to hide comes at the opportunity cost of using many other options, such as dashing, disengaging, or making an off-hand attack.&nbsp; Being at the mercy of the DM as to whether hiding is possible or not would really hamstring players of similar characters.&nbsp; Even non-lightfoot halfing rogues benefit from having the hide-and-attack option in their toolkit.Keep in mind, too, that hiding is not an automatic action.&nbsp; The player still has to roll stealth to see if it works.&nbsp; So you have placed an additional barrier to an already uncertain outcome that comes with an opportunity cost--and from your description, it sounds like you would be defaulting to &quot;not possible&quot; unless there are good reasons why you think it might work.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jayoungr, post: 8035475, member: 6702445"] I feel like both halves of this section are too strict and will unduly penalize some characters. Regarding the first section, my interpretation of "hidden" is that the opposing creature might know that the hidden creature exists and might know that the hidden creature is a potential threat with the ability to attack, but does not know exactly where the hidden creature is. I believe it is the more stringent definition of being "hidden" that leads to the more severe restriction on when you will allow players to attempt it. Regarding the second section, I am playing a halfling rogue in a game right now (a lightfoot halfling, so [USER=2525]@Mistwell[/USER] 's point applies). Hiding so as to be able to attack from a hidden location and gain advantage (and therefore use sneak attack) is one of the main things I do when in combat. I do not believe it is too powerful, as (1) without sneak attack, my damage is far, far behind everyone else's and (2) using my bonus action to hide comes at the opportunity cost of using many other options, such as dashing, disengaging, or making an off-hand attack. Being at the mercy of the DM as to whether hiding is possible or not would really hamstring players of similar characters. Even non-lightfoot halfing rogues benefit from having the hide-and-attack option in their toolkit. Keep in mind, too, that hiding is not an automatic action. The player still has to roll stealth to see if it works. So you have placed an additional barrier to an already uncertain outcome that comes with an opportunity cost--and from your description, it sounds like you would be defaulting to "not possible" unless there are good reasons why you think it might work. [/QUOTE]

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