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<blockquote data-quote="Jon Gilliam" data-source="post: 8035980" data-attributes="member: 6920404">More discussions ensued among our group!&nbsp; I brought up the insights of all of you here - thank you for your help!&nbsp; I think we've arrived at a final interpretation of the Hiding rules that we all agreed on in our group.&nbsp; We punted a bit, as we went with a more operational definition, and based on people's feedback here we agreed that the rules intend to give more authority to the DM.&nbsp; Does anyone here feel this is not where it needs to be yet?Hiding<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Definition of being &quot;Hidden&quot; : Being &quot;hidden&quot; from an opposing creature means that you could attack that creature without them being able to perceive that your attack is coming.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Definition of &quot;noticing a threat&quot; :&nbsp; When used in the context of surprise or hiding, noticing a threat means perceiving the presence of something believed to be able to take the attack action.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">The DM decides when characters or monsters are hidden: The DM decides whether or not you are hidden from another creature by taking into account the following&nbsp; considerations:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">any specific traits or abilities</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">whether the creature can see you</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">whether the creature can hear you</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">whether the creature can perceive your presence in any way</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">whether the creature is distracted</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">whether the creature is able to determine your position</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">whether the creature perceives your presence as a potential attacker</li>
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[QUOTE="Jon Gilliam, post: 8035980, member: 6920404"] More discussions ensued among our group! I brought up the insights of all of you here - thank you for your help! I think we've arrived at a final interpretation of the Hiding rules that we all agreed on in our group. We punted a bit, as we went with a more operational definition, and based on people's feedback here we agreed that the rules intend to give more authority to the DM. Does anyone here feel this is not where it needs to be yet? [SIZE=6][B]Hiding[/B][/SIZE] [LIST] [*][B][I]Definition of being "Hidden" [/I][/B]: Being "hidden" from an opposing creature means that you could attack that creature without them being able to perceive that your attack is coming. [*][B][I]Definition of "noticing a threat"[/I][/B] : When used in the context of surprise or hiding, noticing a threat means perceiving the presence of something believed to be able to take the attack action. [*][B][I]The DM decides when characters or monsters are hidden[/I][/B]: The DM decides whether or not you are hidden from another creature by taking into account the following considerations: [LIST] [*]any specific traits or abilities [*]whether the creature can see you [*]whether the creature can hear you [*]whether the creature can perceive your presence in any way [*]whether the creature is distracted [*]whether the creature is able to determine your position [*]whether the creature perceives your presence as a potential attacker [/LIST] [/LIST] [/QUOTE]

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