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<blockquote data-quote="Jon Gilliam" data-source="post: 8035993" data-attributes="member: 6920404">Also, a new FAQ:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Couldn't the rules mean that surprise is only determined by comparing Stealth versus passive Perception only for those creatures who are hiding, and not considering those who chose not to hide?&nbsp;&nbsp; No.&nbsp; The rules state that if neither side of a combat tries to be stealthy they notice each other, and that implies creatures who are not stealthy are noticed as a threat.&nbsp;&nbsp; The rules also state that the condition under which a creature is surprised is when they do not notice a threat.&nbsp; Note also that if only one person from the party being hidden could give surprise, that would likely cause players to often decide that only the character with the highest Stealth check modifier and therefore the highest chance to succeed would hide.&nbsp; That's counter to how surprise is presented in the rules as a side-based ambush that a band of adventurers is planning as a group.</li>
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[QUOTE="Jon Gilliam, post: 8035993, member: 6920404"] [B]Also, a new FAQ:[/B] [LIST] [*][B]Couldn't the rules mean that surprise is only determined by comparing Stealth versus passive Perception only for those creatures who are hiding, and not considering those who chose not to hide?[/B] No. The rules state that if neither side of a combat tries to be stealthy they notice each other, and that implies creatures who are not stealthy are noticed as a threat. The rules also state that the condition under which a creature is surprised is when they do not notice a threat. Note also that if only one person from the party being hidden could give surprise, that would likely cause players to often decide that only the character with the highest Stealth check modifier and therefore the highest chance to succeed would hide. That's counter to how surprise is presented in the rules as a side-based ambush that a band of adventurers is planning as a group. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]

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