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<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 8038753" data-attributes="member: 72555">I don't think you get how this game -- namely, the game of constructing this FAQ in this thread -- works.JC didn't say that the vendor wasn't also invisible as well as having a maul.&nbsp; Did he say &quot;the visible vendor&quot;?&nbsp; Nope.So the RAW text doesn't rule out the possibility that you must be hidden.&nbsp; Which means the RAW states they must be hidden.So by RAW you can still ensure that hiding and surprise are as useless as possible.&nbsp; Which is the goal of this FAQ.Now, some might say that the FAQ doesn't say that its purpose is to make hiding and surprise as useless as possible.&nbsp; But it says it is rules, and rules are made by rulers, and ruler is something dominating something else, and when you dominate something you restrict it, and this is rules about hiding, so it is campaign-specific restrictions on how hiding works.&nbsp; The first sentence of a work describes what the work is about, so this work is about restricting hiding and surprise.&nbsp; By the Faq As Written (FAW).I kid, but this thread, well, it gets pretty ridiculous.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 8038753, member: 72555"] I don't think you get how this game -- namely, the game of constructing this FAQ in this thread -- works. JC didn't say that the vendor wasn't also invisible as well as having a maul. Did he say "the visible vendor"? Nope. So the RAW text doesn't rule out the possibility that you must be hidden. Which means the RAW states they must be hidden. So by RAW you can still ensure that hiding and surprise are as useless as possible. Which is the goal of this FAQ. Now, some might say that the FAQ doesn't say that its purpose is to make hiding and surprise as useless as possible. But it says it is rules, and rules are made by rulers, and ruler is something dominating something else, and when you dominate something you restrict it, and this is rules about hiding, so it is campaign-specific restrictions on how hiding works. The first sentence of a work describes what the work is about, so this work is about restricting hiding and surprise. By the Faq As Written (FAW). I kid, but this thread, well, it gets pretty ridiculous. [/QUOTE]

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